Who do you think were the best and worst US Presidents?

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Best: Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, and Coolidge

Worst: Widrow Wilson, FDR, and George Bush II

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Lincoln best? Explain yourself.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Ended slavery and stopped the Southern idiots from further ballooning the black population through cattle-like breeding. It also stopped them from importing new slaves from Africa as they certainly would've done down the line.

Lincoln also wanted to send the blacks back to Africa and started steps towards debt-free money creation via the greenback. This infuriated the banking establishment as well.

Ultimately he was killed and both of these projects fell into disuse.

If he had lived and fulfilled another term, he might be known today as Lincoln the Great.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ended slavery and stopped the Southern idiots from further ballooning the black population

Did you mean to say he killed 500K white men to free niggers?

If he had lived and fulfilled another term, he might be known today as Lincoln the Great

Yes, that is correct.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Did you mean to say he killed 500K white men to free niggers?

Wars are always happening and men are always dying in them. Over 600,000 men died in the Crimean war a decade before the US civil war. Almost all of them were white. And it was fought for a silly reason like maintaining anglo-French prestige that would be ruined if the armies turned back without actually fighting.

At least the civil war ended slavery and prevented further negro proliferation. It had a net benefit unlike the Crimean war or a dozen other wars fought in the 18th century like the wars of the Spanish and Austrian successions.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very interesting take.

What do you say when southerners say the war was about state rights, do you agree disagree, whose side are you on?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think I agree that it was largely about state rights. They felt that the federal government would infringe on their liberties and prerogatives by increasing the number of non-slaver states in the Senate.

It was also about slavery in that the Southern landed nobility did not want to part with their feudal societal structure and pay the slaves. Ironically, it would've been more cost-efficient considering that slaves consumed 90 cents for every dollar they put in.

The South should've simply asked congress to pay them for all the slaves. The slaves would've been freed and then employed immediately by the same owners. The owners would've profited from having to only pay them salaries and not provide other living expenses.

The whole fiasco could've been prevented if the Southern chevalier class had not been so arrogant and full of vain pride. In the end, all they managed to bring about was the destruction of their own lines and fortunes and the devastation of their beautiful lands by Sherman's armies.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It also stopped them from importing new slaves from Africa as they certainly would've done down the line.

Britain had a blockade on Africa. Not to mention, other European powers were already in the process of carving up the continent for themselves.

Lincoln also wanted to send the blacks back to Africa and started steps towards debt-free money creation via the greenback. This infuriated the banking establishment as well.

It's sounds like pie in the sky, Bernie Sanders type of wishful thinking and promises.

Prior to the war, there was already plans to send them back via the founding of Liberia. Yet only a couple thousand Blacks had actually went there, out of the hundreds of thousands who were still in America.