Why exactly do people hate U.S Segregation?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The problem when you cut into is that White people didn't want to share their communities with non whites period.

But why does it matter if Whites refuse to share?

Non-whites could always build their own parallel communities such as Greenwood or even Chinatown. Do that, and why would they care what happens outside?

but the U.S. form of segregation was oppressive to Blacks and nonwhites.

Muhammad Ali would disagree. When it came to life in Africa or America, he chose the latter.

https://quotescage.com/thank-god-my-granddaddy-got-on-that-boat/

There's also a question of what does oppressive mean in this context? For example, we can't blame segregation on any educational disparities. Blacks have 15 less IQ points on average. There is no White owned school in America that could make them smarter than what their DNA allows them to.

The stories of Blacks being denied loans also falls into the same camp. They're less likely to pay them back.

Basically, we were always told that Black failure is because slavery/jim crow somehow screwed them up. Lol no. Forcing them to move into White neighborhoods has never made them on par.

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The problem with U.S. segregation is that Whites and Blacks were still sharing the same spaces but had the hassle of having to develop separate facilities, water fountains, barriers, etc. that are still a part of the shared space that both groups occupy. The community is not really exclusive and it is not good psychologically for either group to have a constant reminder that you must share a space with another group that you have no fondness for. This escalates tensions between groups and also harms local commerce because Whites are more likely to boycott black businesses because they experience more negative interactions with them. In other implementations of segregation there are exclusive spaces for the minorities and the majority and shared spaces the both groups can occupy like market places for commerce or government municipalities. The tensions are less tense because they still can go home to their exclusive community after leaving the market and it reduces contact to what is minimally necessary for the groups to coexist with each other under a single government.

Freedom of association is oppressive to any minority that lives under the thumb of a dominant culture that is hostile to them. Institutions don't build themselves and it is really difficult to build them from scratch especially if you are diaspora group that must follow the rules of the state you live under. Asians for example are a high achieving minority because they used their extreme ethnic nepotism to gain a higher economic standing in the United States. But how much influence do they actually have on the culture? Barely any besides their cuisine and video games because Jews dominate the culture and can pass as White in the political realm where Asians cannot. There is a barrier blocking them from advancing politically because pretty much every east Asian group has historical grievances against each other, they are too successful economically to have a high position in the intersectional anti-White hierarchy and are not shape shifters like Jews were they are invisible to the average person despite their influence being everywhere.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Freedom of association is oppressive to any minority that lives under the thumb of a dominant culture that is hostile to them.

AHAHAHAHA.

We saw what happened when Jim Crow was lifted. It didn't end racism. In fact, it gave rise to one of the biggest racial riots in U.S history (George Floyd protests).

There is no oppression under segregation. Blacks having their own schools frees the burden of blaming other groups for their ownproblems. If they fail, then go blame the Black Teachers or Black Principal responsible for them. It also means no affirmative action that are meant to cheat this process.

[–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sounds like a half-measure to me. If you want others to be separated from you, why wouldn't you want them to be separated the furthest possible.

Not to mention that someone has to organize, enforce and maintain said separation. These would most obviously be White leaders, and people who don't fit under this designation would live under those who do. As they do now, negroes would still blame Whites for any kind of issue that results from this arrangement. Governments would be a far easier target than incompetent teachers.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like a half-measure to me. If you want others to be separated from you, why wouldn't you want them to be separated the furthest possible.

Because it really wasn't that big of a deal? Think about where the USA was before 1965. It was still rich, it was technologically advanced, and there wasn't much to complain about other than being dragged into two world wars.

It would have been ideal if minorities where just shipped off elsewhere, but given the status quo, nobody really suffered by living in your own separate community.