Nietzsche is the right wing Marx

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

False equivalence. You cant take Nietzschean philosophy and turn it into a cult that attracts every lower human type who openly represents the hatred and destruction of the West and its people while championing every non Western people which is basically what leftist socialism has become

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Are you serious? All the stuff the americans call "cultural marxism" is built upon nietzsche. Look at this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Deleuze

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Deleuze has a very selective reading of Nietzsche. Some leftists borrow certain ideas from Nietzsche, yes, but they rarely engage with the rest of his work. The left is not at all "Nietzschean". In fact, Nietzsche coined the term "The Last Men" precisely in order to describe leftists.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Deleuze has a very selective reading of Nietzsche

That's how philosophy works, otherwise there wouldn't be anything new.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You make a valid point here, but everything I said earlier remains true.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So yeah, Nietzsche isn't a systematic philosopher, so you don't have a general framework that you can apply to various stuff - unlike Aristotelianism, idealism and so on - so you either borrow stuff from him and use them for your own thing, or you plainly repeat what Nietzsche was saying - which is something no university is going to give you a tenure for. Deluze took the nihilist ontology and the concept of vital force, so I would say it's pretty legit, even if I don't agree with the conclusions.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What exactly are you referring to? It is true that Deleuze has borrowed certain elements from Nietzsche. That cannot be doubted. However, it is similarly obvious that Deleuze is in many ways the complete antithesis of Nietzsche. These two thinkers are absolutely nothing alike, and as I noted earlier, Nietzsche despised leftists and egalitarians because their beliefs conflicted with his worldview on more or less every point.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Let's put this way: which are in your opinion the truly Nietzschean philosophers?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

What are your criteria for that? I have a pretty good idea of what I would consider a Nietzschean worldview, but I am not sure if our definitions match up.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's not about my definition, it's about philosophy. My point is that Nietzsche wasn't a systematic philosopher, nihilism is not a method. One can personally embrace Nietzschean nihilism of course, but if he is going to write something new he will necessarily need to extrapolate some parts, probably discarding the others, and build upon that. I was asking you which philosopher is actually Nietzschean because I hold as true that only Nietzsche was truly Nietzschean. But nonetheless, his work was indeed used to build postmodernism, and so is incorrect to say that

You cant take Nietzschean philosophy and turn it into a cult that attracts every lower human type who openly represents the hatred and destruction of the West and its people while championing every non Western people which is basically what leftist socialism has become

because is factually true the opposite.