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[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A degree of correctness but you can clearly see the boomer esque conservatism crowding out actual useful thought

What's happening to young white males is similar to what happened to black males in the 40s 50s & 60s. They were marginalized which led to government control over the black family - Uncle Sam became the head of the black household. Today we are experiencing the same being done in white households. Voluntarily, white women are calling for more government control over their futures rather than turning to a family unit for that support.

The same sentiment is re affirmed in several other comments.

Conservatives (mainstream and to an extent less mainstream ones) love this narrative of welfare and some nebulous idea of government intervention being socially destructive and if we could just keep uncle sams hands off the noble black (or whatever race) family they will return to their natural noble state (you know, when black men had class and wore pants above their waist like white people). It's a simple narrative that eludes many complex social and material factors and trends, an ideology handed to them by their betters who just so happen (at least historically) to conveniently benefit from anti government sentiment blunting their tax rates and regulation.

Black families did not fall apart because of the government - they fell apart because of massive urbanization, the destruction of social structures, and lack of said social structures begetting new ones ( centered around polygamy and immediate and spontaneous violence defining social hierarchy) that are more similar to their native African brothers probably not by coincidence. Welfare was a response to the miserable poverty and horrendous conditions blacks urban internal immigrants faced, it did not precede it and it's arguable how much it perpetuates it - yes if you let them starve and murder each other in their desperation maybe by some Darwinian process a more stable black society independent of welfare or enforcement of European social norms would emerge but no one in the (mainstream) first world is going to tolerate that, and in all likelihood it would just look like African tribal social structures again. Conservatives don't like this because it implicates capitalism and invokes race realism (directly or more subtly) which they are taught to revere and abhor respectively.

They are correct that the same process is repeating with white families - in fact the traditional white family has been on its way out for over a hundred years - but whites were more capable and socially robust in the face of these trends and so were able to better weather them for cultural and/or racial reasons. When white families fall apart it's because of social values, declining economic prospects, alienation, atomization, and every social disease common to the modern man not because white women can rely on welfare to help feed their kids (albeit they do vote and evangelize in favor of that out of self interest) or uncle same becoming the "man of the house".

But there is an important distinction between whites and black in this regard. In particular two trends have greatly sped up the destruction of the white family in the last 30 years - the aping of black social values to the point of being unrecognizable and the anti white and specifically anti white male institutions (in government, media, and corporations) which the "left" have captured and use to socially demean (making them more unlikely to be selected by women) and impoverish them (making them unable to afford families). Immigration crushes their labour power and gender and race regimes are designed to uplift selected classes at the expense of the white natives.

Your typical conservative is only half way at best to understanding this or even being able to admit anything beyond "muh welfare" as a cause.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I really hate conservatives at this point.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I really hate conservatives at this point.

IMO, don't hate them but see them as victims.

Every mainstream media and public school has brainwashed people to act and behave a certain way. Anytime an alternative media shows up, it gets violently crushed or censored (i.e Amren).

I rather take pity that they are pawns being used by malicious forces higher than them, rather than accept they were always bad people.

This meme explains exactly what I'm talking about:

https://files.catbox.moe/37665a.jpg