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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Problem with your paragraph is that it's based on cope rather than any understanding of the history of revolutions. 'Do nothing and powerful people will magically be overthrown' is essentially what you're saying, it's just the mythology of normies one day waking up and spontaneously doing a revolution.

Imagine telling the Nazis to just do nothing in the middle of Weimar, it's absurdity. Did they sit down and do nothing because the German people would spontaneously rise up against Weimar degeneracy or were they the tip of the spear organising the revolution? There can be no resistance unless our guys do it, the normies aren't going to organise themselves they require a boots on the ground vanguard that are outside fighting for the public square on behalf of the ordinary people. Only then will ordinary people have the courage to come out and support them.

All Eeyoreposting and naysaying does, like the fags at DailyStormer and other shit tier sites like that do, is serve to demoralise people who would otherwise be willing to actually take action to help their people rather than circlejerking online and pretending to be sleeper agents which in reality is just a rationalisation of being too much of a coward to do anything so instead creating an imaginary scenario where some magical revolution will appear out of thin air.

If you personally don't think it's possible to win if you take action irl that's fine, don't do it. But going around trying to encourage everyone else to just Do Nothing and that is how they will win is preposterous.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Problem with your paragraph is that it's based on cope rather than any understanding of the history of revolutions. 'Do nothing and powerful people will magically be overthrown' is essentially what you're saying, it's just the mythology of normies one day waking up and spontaneously doing a revolution.

The Soviet Union didnt collapse because some "revolutionaries" overthrew it. It collapsed onto it's own rotten core. It was a system based on lies, not unlike our current system, only our current system is even more unsustainable. I think some of you guys are obsessed with myths about a few hardcore types causing revolutions, but reality is always way more complicated. There's a danger of obsessing over history and always using past examples as a guide for how to proceed in the present and future. Times and events can, and more often than not are, unprecedented. Especially with technology advancing so rapidly.

I dont speak out about this shit because I want to be a revolutionary. I see what is happening right now as a simple case of self defense and self preservation. I'm a pragmatist. If revolution is what it takes to defend myself and my people than so be it. If or when it requires risk or even self sacrifice, so be it, but I'm always skeptical of people who are in it for the revolution, with revolution being the end itself as much as the means to an end. That seems like Jewish thinking.

Im not saying any of this applies to you personally. I dont know you, but you do seem a little too invested in using the Nazis or fascists as some kind of a template. The modern day west, especially America, is a hell of a lot different from 1920s Germany and things that worked there could have an opposite effect, especially since our ruling class are dominated by Jews who see everything through the prism of the rise of the Nazis. Seems to me that approach just plays right into their hands.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Soviet Union didnt collapse because some "revolutionaries" overthrew it. It collapsed onto it's own rotten core. It was a system based on lies, not unlike our current system, only our current system is even more unsustainable.

This is just rhetorical fairytales completely lacking in substance. You just say these things because they make you feel good like somehow we have the truth on our side so then liberal capitalism will collapse magically and we will be in power magically or something. It's nonsense, our society is in total disarray but the institutions themselves look even more powerful than any that have ever existed throughout history. These are the exact opposite conditions that revolutionaries look for, these have been engineered. All the signs of collapse we see are ones that suppress Social Capital but have little to no effect on political institutions, the only way out of this is through. We have to be extremely active in being involved in every civic association that exists and be the only people organising. One of the benefits of low social capital is that we have low competition, the NSDAP for example had to compete with many bourgeois parties, fake nationalists, marxists etc who were all able to organise easily due to the high Social Capital environment. We are in the age of individuals having their own special snowflake ideas and not being associated with any political groups, which means if we are the people organising we're the only game in town and we can create a parallel society of 'artificial' high Social Capital. This is the foundation of jewish power actually, known as the Kehillah.

I think some of you guys are obsessed with myths about a few hardcore types causing revolutions, but reality is always way more complicated.

No it's not, every single revolution was caused by an organised group of extremely motivated men. The Soviet Union itself came into being because of 'a few hardcore types'. Their party was not even 1/10th as popular as the NSDAP was and they still managed to take power because they had concentrated power in Moscow and St Petersburg in military guys and workers who were able to take the cities for them. I don't know what you've been reading that makes revolutions about 'complicated' and non-material realities but they're not true. Every revolution has been about real life groups fighting for power not random happenings nobody understands because one day random people who have no association with each other just find themselves in positions of power. The only ones we can apply to our own organising are the fascist ones because they're the only ones that fit us IE grassroots, popular organising with little-to-no funding. All others have come out of elite secret societies, the military, international funding etc which obviously we don't have on our side.

There's a danger of obsessing over history and always using past examples as a guide for how to proceed in the present and future.

Another empty rhetorical statement. 3 sentences in a row that actually said nothing that was practical, just throwing out platitudes about how you're right just because you say you are when in reality these tidbits are neither true nor valuable for understanding anything.

Times and events can, and more often than not are, unprecedented

Yes and revolutionaries capitalise on events by being organised and prepared. Bolshevik revolution, and the death of von Hindenburg are fine examples.

If revolution is what it takes to defend myself and my people than so be it.

Great, so then start studying fascists. I recommend 'The Civic Foundations of Fascism' and 'Bowling for Hitler/Fascism' as a starting point.

If or when it requires risk or even self sacrifice, so be it, but I'm always skeptical of people who are in it for the revolution, with revolution being the end itself as much as the means to an end. That seems like Jewish thinking.

What does this even mean? You seem to be specialising in substance-less rhetoric in this entire comment. It's 'jewish thinking' to want to kick jews that are genociding our race out of power and rule our own countries? How do you even think up this nonsense?

Im not saying any of this applies to you personally. I dont know you, but you do seem a little too invested in using the Nazis or fascists as some kind of a template.

Because I've studied revolutions and found that the only one analogous to our situation has been Germany and Italy. Codreanu's organisations in Romania too but they didn't achieve revolution. If the Bolsheviks were analogous to our situation then I'd be telling people to study the Bolshevik revolution, same with the Taliban or the IRA, or Castro and Che, the French revolution etc. None of them are though, learning about them is basically a hobby or historical curiosity for the most part. There's not much that can actually be applied from any of them, except the fascist way of organising which can be applied to us 1:1.

The modern day west, especially America, is a hell of a lot different from 1920s Germany and things that worked there could have an opposite effect, especially since our ruling class are dominated by Jews who see everything through the prism of the rise of the Nazis.

How? How will organising communities to actively oppose the people in power and give the masses a rallying point achieve the opposite effect of strengthening liberalism and jewish power? You are just saying things with literally no reasoning, evidence, or even seemingly thought behind them.

Seems to me that approach just plays right into their hands.

Yes which is why intelligence agencies advocate everyone to organise under peaceful nationalist political parties, it's why the police don't suppress us, it's why our governments don't allow us to register as parties, it's why the media never attacks us. Us organising against them is exactly what they want.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You just say these things because they make you feel good like somehow we have the truth on our side so then liberal capitalism will collapse magically and we will be in power magically or something.

It's not magic that will make it collapse, it's reality, it's math. The US is nearly 30 trillion dollars in debt and counting, that's an unprecedented hole for zog to climb out of. We are seeing record inflation, the stage is set for an eventual collapse of the dollar at a time the neocons are using the US to wage wars(unsuccessfully) with everybody. The US is highly divided, and a silent majority of whites are sick to death of this racial grievance bullshit and endless anti white incitement and even open discrimination.

It's nonsense, our society is in total disarray but the institutions themselves look even more powerful than any that have ever existed throughout history.

You honestly think that can be sustained with all the above mentioned problems? I would be pretty amazed.

There's a danger of obsessing over history and always using past examples as a guide for how to proceed in the present and future.

Another empty rhetorical statement. 3 sentences in a row that actually said nothing that was practical, just throwing out platitudes about how you're right just because you say you are when in reality these tidbits are neither true nor valuable for understanding anything.

It's not an empty rhetorical statement. There are countless examples of this right up to the present day. WW2 is a great one. The French prepared for a coming war with Germany using WW1 as a guide. How did that work out for them? The Germans by contrast completely scrapped previous doctrine and came up with something new and unexpected. This has happened continually throughout history. So if you want to use history as a guide, there's a pretty consistent takeaway.

Times and events can, and more often than not are, unprecedented

Yes and revolutionaries capitalise on events by being organised and prepared. Bolshevik revolution, and the death of von Hindenburg are fine examples.

So you agreed with my statement, then used historical examples of how to proceed.

If revolution is what it takes to defend myself and my people than so be it."

Great, so then start studying fascists. I recommend 'The Civic Foundations of Fascism' and 'Bowling for Hitler/Fascism' as a starting point.

Why would I use two failed movements as a starting point? Also, the Bolsheviks were funded by Jewish wealth, not exactly something you can rely on. Also, the key word I used was IF. I don't believe a "revolution" is what it takes and in fact believe that attempting such a thing would likely backfire in the near term. They're fucking everything up left and right, so why would I intervene if it was just as likely to help them, as Charlottesville did? Timing is everything. Again since you are into historical examples from the Nazi era, imagine if the opposition to the Nazis attempted to publicly organize in 1936, how do you think that would have worked out for them? They would have been completely crushed. It would have been doing the Nazis a favor. A better tactic right now would be along the lines of the French yellow jackets or even something akin to the civil rights movement, except for whites and in clear opposition to Jewish power and authoritarianism, hence why I support the "it's ok to be white" messaging and think its extremely effective. Also, during the civil rights "struggle", blacks always had the option of simply returning to their home continent and peoples, European peoples don't have that option. These are the societies we built, and in the case of Europe lived in for tens of thousands of years, so there is nowhere to return to, so our moral and practical argument is far greater than blacks had back then.

There's not much that can actually be applied from any of them, except the fascist way of organising which can be applied to us 1:1.

Again, this is where I disagree, I dont think it can be applied to us 1:1, certainly not in America, I dont know as much about Europe. Times and are completely different, the people you are trying to persuade are completely different, the technology the state can bring against you to monitor and supress organizing is completely different, as well as their ability to propagandize and spin events to the masses, as these patriot front dudes just found out. Not to mention their ability to use social media as a weapon against you, to astroturf riots and organized violence on a whim, as 2020 showed.

You can accuse me of speaking in platitudes or generalizations, but I can specifically lay out all the differences between 1920's Germans and 2022 Americans and the situation both find themselves in, and these differences are profound. What worked in one situation with one group of people will not necessarily work with the other and could have the opposite effect. I can specifically list these differences if you dont believe they exist or matter.

I'm not saying all this to blackpill people. In fact as I have pointed out I think it's almost a done deal that the system will collapse and the Jewish elite have already massively overplayed their hand as it always does. One major difference between now and these past revolutions you bring up is in the past the differences were mainly ideological. Today it goes way beyond that. A powerful group of Jews appear to be actively attempting to ethnically cleanse planet earth of European peoples, so this isnt just some stupid my ideology is better than your ideology bullshit, it is a situation of either allowing another group to destroy you, or preventing that. Every white person on earth will be effected by this and has motivation to oppose it, along with any non whites that aren't genocidal sociopaths, so I'm tired of the alt right always picking fights with other whites. Every white person should be our ally, or at least be given that option. So why make them your enemy and back them up against a wall and antagonize them into opposing you?