Vaccine side effects: A personal anecdote

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No one knows whats going on in their bodys at all times. If you took the vaccine, there might be a stroke or heart attack in your future.

Of course, I could have one as I write this, but to pinpoint the cause to the vaccine would be total nonsense.

I don't know what the total number of deaths will be when this is all over

Again, when is it over? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years?

I have sifted through enormous stacks of information over the past 2 years, read over a hundred articles, and numerous scientific studys.

which has altered their very genetic code!

Lol, and besides people waste time on pointless shit all the time. Some people research flat earth, biology students have read countless of papers and research about how races are the same, but just by observing real world I can see they were reading nonsense, same goes for antivax stuff, I haven't seen a single side effect besides single case of high body temp in my cousin.

What research have you done, besides uncritically repeating what the mainstream media told you?

I've mostly done research about their efficacy, and guess what, that research mostly says shit that they're like 70-90% effective against catching covid, something which also contradicts my real world observations. It just goes to prove that I don't accept shit uncritically.

The VAERs database shows that tens of thousands of people have been killed or permanently injured from the vaccines

You know you could've added your dad's case into the VAERS as well?

And if there is a sharp rise of these conditions, I would like to see the actual data, longitudinal studies which observe the phenomena for at least 10 years.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In your opinion, what should everyday people do with the professional opinions of doctors like Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, Robert Malone, etc? Should they just be dismissed, and the opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate?

Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Should they just be dismissed

Yes.

opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate?

Haven't seen much of these "politician-affiliated" professionals tbh. There should be public debate ofc, but I've heard nothing but quackery from these people you mentioned (haven't heard about Ryan Cole I'll admit).

Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

Not really. I always had my own critiques which were perfectly sane and I haven't seen them brought up by vaccine hysterics at all. All they've brought up is nonsense like neverending lockdowns (while lockdowns weren't even a thing), population culling, sterilization, tracking, and many other, both falsifiable and unfalsifiable, wild claims which were grossly offensive to the sane mind.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let's grant you that antivax positions were being surpressed for the sake of the argument (in reality I saw it everywhere, even in the US senate). Were McCullough and Malone right about anything at all? You should start doing the retrospection and check their claims point by point, and see how much they got it right. I'll tell you right away, not much.

Debate for the sake of the debate is pointless, especially in urgent and endangering situations.

I would think a responsible dissident would error on the side of not further normalizing trust and acquiescence to an authority that is already allegedly trying to replace his people. But again, you’re doing the opposite.

I won't ever side with nonsense just on the basis of it being the dissenting position.

Flat earthers are also a dissenting side, yet I don't want to hear their takes on electromagnetism/gravity-denial, or see their perspective in school textbooks, because it's clear to everyone sane that they're wrong and don't have any predictable model.

But also, the thing is that flat earth doesn't really affect anyone, even if tons of people do adopt that position. With antivax stuff you're directly endangering others around you, so people have even more motivation of censoring it.

Dissent for dissent's sake is also pointless, sometimes even harmful.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still disagree