Vaccine side effects: A personal anecdote

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[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

A few billion people got the vaccine. How many got myocarditis? I feel bad for you. You used to contribute here, but covid completely broke you. This is literally some kind of phobia with you. This is assuming you arent some kind of disingenuous shill trying to fuck with the goys by spreading q anon tier bullshit and dividing and discrediting the opposition. Most of us have moved on as your evolving dooms day scenarios have fizzled.

Meanwhile covid is still with us. It probably always will be. One day you might even die from it, im sure youll be denying it up to the point they put you on a ventilator. Maybe itll evolve to something less severe, or maybe get worse. Meanwhile just try to live your life and stop acting like a panicked elephant. Many of you covid conspiracists are worse than the covid hysterics.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

In your opinion, what should everyday people do with the professional opinions of doctors like Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, Robert Malone, etc? Should they just be dismissed, and the opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate? Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Debate it all you want. I dont think vax skeptics should be censored, and I have some MILD hesitation about the vax myself, but desperate times call for desperate measures, and the potential for the covid pandemic to have been even worse than it was, was real. They were throwing the kitchen sink at it because it was proving devastating to the world economy, and we still dont know the long term complications of getting covid itself, those alone could have severe implications for society and the health care system.

I think the vaccine has a higher incidence of complications than previous vaccines, but Ive also read the rebuttals to the professionals you mentioned, and those rebuttals are by far the majority of opinion from scientists and professionals. They aren't all part of some conspiracy, and their rebuttals are proving more right with each passing day.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If they genuinely want to get everyone vaxxed for their safety, why do you think there is no PUBLIC debate though, on TV, ensuring that no stone is left unturned? For example, between Fauci and Peter McCullough, if only to expose the flaws in McCullough’s position, which could inspire many of the hold-outs to get it, right?

We have public debates between political candidates to supposedly to educate the voter. Why wouldn’t they want to have a thorough public debate if billions of people are suddenly going to be basically forced to inject a foreign substance into their veins?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because they are addicted to censorship. Jewish thought is that once we control things we can simply censor contrary views. Free speech is a pain in the ass, a european value they do not share. They pretended to share it when they were out of power and it could be used to subvert anglo power. The ACLU(a largely Jewish run organization) has shifted from being for free speech to suppressing free speech as Jewish control over mass communication and politics has become nearly absolute.

Why waste time debating or convincing people something is right when we can simply censor alternate views is now the prevailing view, be they political or scientific views. The fact that in this rare case the “mainstream” view is probably right and can be largely proven doesnt matter to them, they think most people are idiots that must be told what is right.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

But they’re not censoring the pro vax position. Why don’t they censor Fauci. Their “addiction” is only in one direction?

Why would they host multiple primary/general election debates but not vax debates? What was Dr McCullough’s rebuttal to the person who rebutted him? And what will the new rebuttal to Dr McCullough be? I’m not smarter than them. Surely they know that more people would take the vax with even the appearance of a debate. Yet, no debate to save lives?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But they’re not censoring the pro vax position. Why don’t they censor Fauci. Their “addiction” is only in one direction?

Of course, because one side is largely right on this issue, and this right answer doesnt conflict with Jewish objectives really. Jewish power censors shit if they perceive it to be detrimental to long term Jewish interests, regardless of whether it is true. On the covid issue they generally perceive it to be in their interests not to have a virus running rampant and uncontrolled through the west to the point it places them in jeopardy and damages the economy, so they generally support the pro vax side and censor dissenting voices, although to be sure they dont censor the anti vaxxers anywhere NEAR they do people who speak out against mass immigration, criticize Jews, or take pro white positions. Joe Rogan would be taken off the air tomorrow if he ever named the Jew, but he can more or less get away with attacking the covid consensus. Sure he's taken some pushback, but nowhere near what he would do if he broached truly taboo issues that Jews dont want us talking about.

Honestly, I dont care about this issue enough to go digging up links. Sorry. You can certainly google the mainstream consensus on covid, its not like its being censored. I dont see why you care about it really. If you dont want the vax dont get it. Simples. The hysterical shit about herding people into fema camps because they arent vaxxed hasnt come to pass, nor have the dire predictions about the vaccinated suffering widespread severe health affects for that matter.

Yet, no debate to save lives

The vaccines seem to be waning in their effectiveness. They clearly reduced hospitalizations of covid patients and the overall mortality rate, but it was always suggested that their effectiveness would probably reduce gradually the more covid mutated. I dont know what the latest view of their current effectiveness is because I stopped paying attention to this issue to be honest.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you’re adamantly anti-Covid conspiracy, but admit that it is coincidentally in line with their “interests?”

Saying they don’t debate because they are “largely right” is circular and presumes a position that can be respected only AFTER a thorough back and forth debate has been had. That hasn’t been done.

Short of that, if you were Judge Judy trying to hear both sides of a matter, and one party was continuously preventing the other party from being heard, what do you think she would do? She would grant default judgment against the suppressive party. You’re doing the opposite.

Also, by fixating on claims of FEMA camps and doomsday speculations, it reminds me of people who think all 9/11 truthers believe the planes were holograms. The “hysterical shit” is mostly the result of people having to take their persuasion tactics to the next level, because others (such as yourself?) flippantly dismiss the less sexy red flags. Like the obvious suppression of professional opposing viewpoints I’ve been talking about.

Again, I’m just curious as my username suggests. But I would think a responsible dissident would error on the side of not further normalizing trust and acquiescence to an authority that is already allegedly is trying to replace his people. But again, you’re doing the opposite.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you’re adamantly anti-Covid conspiracy, but admit that it is coincidentally in line with their “interests?”

Again, not having a virus running rampant through society and putting them in personal jeopardy while wrecking the economy they parasite off certainly is in their interests. In this particular case I would say it's in everyones interest not to have covid rippling through society uncontrolled, so it's a rare thing me and Jewish elites agree on.

But I would think a responsible dissident would error on the side of not further normalizing trust and acquiescence to an authority that is already allegedly is trying to replace his people. But again, you’re doing the opposite.

The problem is this, if you spread conspiracy theories that are demonstrably false and illogical, it will damage your credibility. Of course the elites will take advantage of ANY global event to increase their power, that goes without saying. That doesnt mean that every global event is part of a vast conspiracy they set in motion. If an asteroid took out 1/3 of the planet tomorrow, guess what, elites, in particular Jewish elites, would try to take advantage of the situation, that doesnt mean the asteroid hitting the earth was a Jewish plot.

Its important to blame them for the things they can be proven to cause, and trust me, theres a ton of shit that falls under that category. When you blame them for shit they arent really responsible for, you do more harm than good and they will use that to get a free pass and avoid scrutiny on shit they do. For instance I remember reading about Jewish media making a big deal out of some dimwitted black nationalists claiming Jews control the weather. Of course they then tried to lump in claims Jews control the media with the silly weather claims.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No thoughts on judge Judy? Lol

Again, unless you’re fixated on the easy “hologram” side of the debate, I’m not sure how you’re jumping to Covid conspiracy being “demonstrably false and illogical” (especially when you’ve admitted to overlapping interests) in response to me pointing out the oddity of a dissident erring on the side of further normalizing mass trust and mass acquiescence to a group that he considers an enemy. I would think, even if there weren’t millions of adverse events reported, you’d advise against compliance for that reason alone.

Australia and Canada are still very much in Covid mode. Biden just renewed the emergency through July. I’m still not clear on why, if they don’t want the virus to run “rampant,” they don’t simply have a debate to convert a good number of skeptics.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel bad for you. You used to contribute here, but covid completely broke you.

Lurk moar, faggot. I've been around way longer than you. I've been speaking out about the plandemic since mid 2020. Thats longer than you've even had an account on Saidit.

This is literally some kind of phobia with you.

Oh yeah, its a phobia to me? But its not a phobia to the millions of assholes who supported the lockdowns, masking, and mass vaccinations (with penaltys for non-compliars)? You pro-vaxxers are the ones who forced your phobias onto wider society, causing unimaginable damage in the process. Take your fake moral outrage and shove it up your ass.

This is assuming you arent some kind of disingenuous shill trying to fuck with the goys

Nah, that would be guys like you trying to convince gullible whites to inject themselves with poison 'for the good of society.'

by spreading q anon tier bullshit and dividing and discrediting the opposition

Qanon was disinfo from start to finish. I have warned so many people over the years... Don't compare me to that astroturfed bullshit. And as for 'discrediting the opposition', don't make me laugh. This is the Alt Right, buddy. We are the most hated political group in Western civilisation. We aren't going to overturn that by siding with the Establishment. We can only overturn that by exposing their lies.

Most of us have moved on as your evolving dooms day scenarios have fizzled.

The dooms day scenarios were not mine to make. As soon as the vaccines were rolled out, there were always going to be sensationalists claiming that the vaccines would kill 90% of humanity or some such bullshit. You seem to forget that the conspiracy community naturally attracts people with schizoid personalitys and a tenuous grasp on reality. These people always exaggerate and sensationalise things; they are white noise, you need to have some discernment and screen them out.

Meanwhile covid is still with us. It probably always will be.

Oh no! What are we gonna do?! Its only a disease with a 99% survival rate. I guess we're gonna have to get annual vaccinations forever, huh?

One day you might even die from it, im sure youll be denying it up to the point they put you on a ventilator

I'm not gonna keel over from the rona, dude. I'm a healthy man in my early 30s. In fact, I'm pretty sure I caught covid back in January. I got over it in a single day, easy. So now I've got natural immunity (you know, that thing that pro-vaxxers are so keen to ignore). Even if I did get sick in the future from some new variant of covid, I sure as shit wouldn't let those assholes put me on a ventilator. That actually makes things worse.

Meanwhile just try to live your life and stop acting like a panicked elephant.

Follow your own advice, and get thee behind me.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You pro-vaxxers are the ones who forced your phobias onto wider society, causing unimaginable damage in the process.

I'm not really pro vax. I'm kind of indifferent to it really, but the shit about causing "unimaginable damage" simply hasnt come to pass, by any stretch of the imagination. It's just you being hysterical.

I'm not gonna keel over from the rona, dude. I'm a healthy man in my early 30s.

Good for you. Dont get the vax. "problem" solved.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I caught covid back in January. I got over it in a single day, easy.

You seem to be pretty sure of a lot of things that are in fact bullshit, so call me skeptical.

Even if I did get sick in the future from some new variant of covid, I sure as shit wouldn't let those assholes put me on a ventilator. That actually makes things worse.

I generally agree with that, dont plan on it myself either, although it's a little more complicated than universally saying it always makes things worse.

So now I've got natural immunity (you know, that thing that pro-vaxxers are so keen to ignore).

Congragulations, once again problem solved, so you can stop bugging us about covid.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm kind of indifferent to it really, but the shit about causing "unimaginable damage" simply hasnt come to pass, by any stretch of the imagination

You are entitled to your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts. There have been 160,000+ deaths that plausibly resulted from the vaccines in the U.S. By contrast, a measly 3000 deaths on September 11th was enough to justify the war on terror.

VAERS: 160,000+ Americans Have Likely Died From COVID-19 Injections.

You seem to be pretty sure of a lot of things that are in fact bullshit, so call me skeptical.

What the hell do you know, newguy? Did I get sick or did you? Your gonna tell me how I felt?

Congragulations, once again problem solved, so you can stop bugging us about covid.

I haven't been 'bugging' anyone, dude. This is the first time I've touched on the vaccines in the last 4 months. And given what happened to my father, I felt obligated to share my story with others. Its one thing for me to talk about data and statistics; thats abstract and impersonal. Its another thing entirely to talk about an incident that affected me personally. This is my thread, your the one who came here in a huff to try and shout me down.

Stop trying to police me, and I won't give you such a hard time.