Vaccine side effects: A personal anecdote

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[–]EuropeanAwakening14 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

Old people have strokes. What actual evidence do you have that this was caused by the vaccine? Conservatives are just saying anyone who has health issues and has had the vaccine is having them because of the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

People have hard time admitting they were being fools all along. I'm no different when I find myself in such situations of course, but this is just Q-tier nonsense.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

People have hard time admitting they were being fools all along.

Yes, they certainly do. If you took the vaccine, then you will count yourself lucky if you recover from a stroke or other adverse reaction.

but this is just Q-tier nonsense

Q was full of shit all along, and so are you pro-vaxxers. You jerkoffs never had a leg to stand on, and your position has only gotten more precarious as time went on.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I'm not getting a stroke and no one in my family or my circle of friends got a stroke, and it has been over one year.

What's the required amount of time to pass after which it's safe to determine that health issue is NOT caused by the vaccine? 1 year? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

I guess the new cope is that it permanently damages you or something, since the mass die-off /pol/ retards have been predicting for 1.5 years clearly isn't happening.

Sorry about your dad, but you just make a claim based on what some internet grifter told you. People can have strokes randomly, yet you are wildly jumping to conclusions here.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

I'm not getting a stroke and no one in my family or my circle of friends got a stroke, and it has been over one year.

Unfortunately, neither you nor any of your family members have the luxury of knowing whether or not they will be free from serious health complications. No one knows whats going on in their bodys at all times. If you took the vaccine, there might be a stroke or heart attack in your future.

I guess the new cope is that it permanently damages you or something, since the mass die-off /pol/ retards have been predicting for 1.5 years clearly isn't happening.

I never predicted anything like a mass die off, so that doesn't reflect on me. What I predicted was a long term, major increase in mortality from diseases as a result of immune systems burnt out by the vaccines. It has already been confirmed that we are on the trajectory for this. I don't know what the total number of deaths will be when this is all over, or how long it will take to be over. In the U.S. alone, many tens of millions of people have received the RNA vaccine, which has altered their very genetic code! The various effects from that (whether benign or harmful) may be around with us forever.

Sorry about your dad, you just make a claim based on what some internet grifter told you

'Some internet grifter'? Are you really so stupid as to assume I have based all my research on the hearsay of one person? I have studied the subject of the coronavirus and the vaccines in far more detail than what you assume. I have sifted through enormous stacks of information over the past 2 years, read over a hundred articles, and numerous scientific studys. What research have you done, besides uncritically repeating what the mainstream media told you?

People can have strokes randomly, yet you are wildly jumping to conclusions here.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that my father suffered from a vaccine adverse reaction. The VAERs database shows that tens of thousands of people have been killed or permanently injured from the vaccines. The majority of reported illnesses are related to the circulatory system, with thrombosis, strokes, heart attacks, myocarditis, and pericarditis being common.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Unfortunately, neither you nor any of your family members have the luxury of knowing whether or not they will be free from serious health complications.

The same could be said about a ton of things were exposed to. Covid itself appears to have long lasting complications even in previously healthy people who had mild infections. Ever hear of long covid? No one knows for sure what is causing it, but one of the leading suspects is literal brain damage caused by microclots in blood vessels in the brain, but yeah, its just the flu brah, isnt that what you said when it first started? I lost track of your evolving conspiracy theories.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Ever hear of long covid?

Ah yes, so thats why all those teenage athletes were getting myocarditis and pericarditis. Checkmate, conspiracy theorists!

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

A few billion people got the vaccine. How many got myocarditis? I feel bad for you. You used to contribute here, but covid completely broke you. This is literally some kind of phobia with you. This is assuming you arent some kind of disingenuous shill trying to fuck with the goys by spreading q anon tier bullshit and dividing and discrediting the opposition. Most of us have moved on as your evolving dooms day scenarios have fizzled.

Meanwhile covid is still with us. It probably always will be. One day you might even die from it, im sure youll be denying it up to the point they put you on a ventilator. Maybe itll evolve to something less severe, or maybe get worse. Meanwhile just try to live your life and stop acting like a panicked elephant. Many of you covid conspiracists are worse than the covid hysterics.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

In your opinion, what should everyday people do with the professional opinions of doctors like Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, Robert Malone, etc? Should they just be dismissed, and the opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate? Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Debate it all you want. I dont think vax skeptics should be censored, and I have some MILD hesitation about the vax myself, but desperate times call for desperate measures, and the potential for the covid pandemic to have been even worse than it was, was real. They were throwing the kitchen sink at it because it was proving devastating to the world economy, and we still dont know the long term complications of getting covid itself, those alone could have severe implications for society and the health care system.

I think the vaccine has a higher incidence of complications than previous vaccines, but Ive also read the rebuttals to the professionals you mentioned, and those rebuttals are by far the majority of opinion from scientists and professionals. They aren't all part of some conspiracy, and their rebuttals are proving more right with each passing day.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel bad for you. You used to contribute here, but covid completely broke you.

Lurk moar, faggot. I've been around way longer than you. I've been speaking out about the plandemic since mid 2020. Thats longer than you've even had an account on Saidit.

This is literally some kind of phobia with you.

Oh yeah, its a phobia to me? But its not a phobia to the millions of assholes who supported the lockdowns, masking, and mass vaccinations (with penaltys for non-compliars)? You pro-vaxxers are the ones who forced your phobias onto wider society, causing unimaginable damage in the process. Take your fake moral outrage and shove it up your ass.

This is assuming you arent some kind of disingenuous shill trying to fuck with the goys

Nah, that would be guys like you trying to convince gullible whites to inject themselves with poison 'for the good of society.'

by spreading q anon tier bullshit and dividing and discrediting the opposition

Qanon was disinfo from start to finish. I have warned so many people over the years... Don't compare me to that astroturfed bullshit. And as for 'discrediting the opposition', don't make me laugh. This is the Alt Right, buddy. We are the most hated political group in Western civilisation. We aren't going to overturn that by siding with the Establishment. We can only overturn that by exposing their lies.

Most of us have moved on as your evolving dooms day scenarios have fizzled.

The dooms day scenarios were not mine to make. As soon as the vaccines were rolled out, there were always going to be sensationalists claiming that the vaccines would kill 90% of humanity or some such bullshit. You seem to forget that the conspiracy community naturally attracts people with schizoid personalitys and a tenuous grasp on reality. These people always exaggerate and sensationalise things; they are white noise, you need to have some discernment and screen them out.

Meanwhile covid is still with us. It probably always will be.

Oh no! What are we gonna do?! Its only a disease with a 99% survival rate. I guess we're gonna have to get annual vaccinations forever, huh?

One day you might even die from it, im sure youll be denying it up to the point they put you on a ventilator

I'm not gonna keel over from the rona, dude. I'm a healthy man in my early 30s. In fact, I'm pretty sure I caught covid back in January. I got over it in a single day, easy. So now I've got natural immunity (you know, that thing that pro-vaxxers are so keen to ignore). Even if I did get sick in the future from some new variant of covid, I sure as shit wouldn't let those assholes put me on a ventilator. That actually makes things worse.

Meanwhile just try to live your life and stop acting like a panicked elephant.

Follow your own advice, and get thee behind me.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You pro-vaxxers are the ones who forced your phobias onto wider society, causing unimaginable damage in the process.

I'm not really pro vax. I'm kind of indifferent to it really, but the shit about causing "unimaginable damage" simply hasnt come to pass, by any stretch of the imagination. It's just you being hysterical.

I'm not gonna keel over from the rona, dude. I'm a healthy man in my early 30s.

Good for you. Dont get the vax. "problem" solved.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I caught covid back in January. I got over it in a single day, easy.

You seem to be pretty sure of a lot of things that are in fact bullshit, so call me skeptical.

Even if I did get sick in the future from some new variant of covid, I sure as shit wouldn't let those assholes put me on a ventilator. That actually makes things worse.

I generally agree with that, dont plan on it myself either, although it's a little more complicated than universally saying it always makes things worse.

So now I've got natural immunity (you know, that thing that pro-vaxxers are so keen to ignore).

Congragulations, once again problem solved, so you can stop bugging us about covid.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No one knows whats going on in their bodys at all times. If you took the vaccine, there might be a stroke or heart attack in your future.

Of course, I could have one as I write this, but to pinpoint the cause to the vaccine would be total nonsense.

I don't know what the total number of deaths will be when this is all over

Again, when is it over? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years?

I have sifted through enormous stacks of information over the past 2 years, read over a hundred articles, and numerous scientific studys.

which has altered their very genetic code!

Lol, and besides people waste time on pointless shit all the time. Some people research flat earth, biology students have read countless of papers and research about how races are the same, but just by observing real world I can see they were reading nonsense, same goes for antivax stuff, I haven't seen a single side effect besides single case of high body temp in my cousin.

What research have you done, besides uncritically repeating what the mainstream media told you?

I've mostly done research about their efficacy, and guess what, that research mostly says shit that they're like 70-90% effective against catching covid, something which also contradicts my real world observations. It just goes to prove that I don't accept shit uncritically.

The VAERs database shows that tens of thousands of people have been killed or permanently injured from the vaccines

You know you could've added your dad's case into the VAERS as well?

And if there is a sharp rise of these conditions, I would like to see the actual data, longitudinal studies which observe the phenomena for at least 10 years.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay buddy, whatever you say.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In your opinion, what should everyday people do with the professional opinions of doctors like Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, Robert Malone, etc? Should they just be dismissed, and the opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate?

Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Should they just be dismissed

Yes.

opinions of the politician-affiliated professionals be adopted without a public debate?

Haven't seen much of these "politician-affiliated" professionals tbh. There should be public debate ofc, but I've heard nothing but quackery from these people you mentioned (haven't heard about Ryan Cole I'll admit).

Are there any red flags the opposing position has raised that have any legitimacy to you?

Not really. I always had my own critiques which were perfectly sane and I haven't seen them brought up by vaccine hysterics at all. All they've brought up is nonsense like neverending lockdowns (while lockdowns weren't even a thing), population culling, sterilization, tracking, and many other, both falsifiable and unfalsifiable, wild claims which were grossly offensive to the sane mind.

[–]curious2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let's grant you that antivax positions were being surpressed for the sake of the argument (in reality I saw it everywhere, even in the US senate). Were McCullough and Malone right about anything at all? You should start doing the retrospection and check their claims point by point, and see how much they got it right. I'll tell you right away, not much.

Debate for the sake of the debate is pointless, especially in urgent and endangering situations.

I would think a responsible dissident would error on the side of not further normalizing trust and acquiescence to an authority that is already allegedly trying to replace his people. But again, you’re doing the opposite.

I won't ever side with nonsense just on the basis of it being the dissenting position.

Flat earthers are also a dissenting side, yet I don't want to hear their takes on electromagnetism/gravity-denial, or see their perspective in school textbooks, because it's clear to everyone sane that they're wrong and don't have any predictable model.

But also, the thing is that flat earth doesn't really affect anyone, even if tons of people do adopt that position. With antivax stuff you're directly endangering others around you, so people have even more motivation of censoring it.

Dissent for dissent's sake is also pointless, sometimes even harmful.