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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

You gotta believe me bro, Putin is just pretending to be against them so dissidents come out in support of him and we can be killed off like weed killer it's so obvious bro just trust me man you gotta believe me bro. We need to be anti-Putin! He is the enemy of the West!

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I will never understand this obsessive DR hatred of Russia. They're literally an 85-90% white country that isn't anti-white and that is fighting Zog in pursuit of their nationalist interests. But still, half the DR thinks it's still the USSR or Putin is a shabbos goy.

Even Jazzhands reversed his earlier position and is now firmly pro-Russia. Striker had the correct take on this for the longest time.

Thuletard and Apollonian germ had been and probably still are pushing the Duginist nonsense.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Haven't seen Germ in a long time, but he was always into conspiracy stuff and libertarianism so it's not a surprise really. Fooltard has just always been a total spastic, I don't even consider him DR I think he's just a superfan of Glenn Beck.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he's just a superfan of Glenn Beck.

Cringe!

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I see the exact opposite on Odysee. There I'm subscribed to practically every DR content creator. I use the 'Subscribed' list to skim the video titles to have some idea of what is going on in a matter of seconds, usually without watching any. There are far too many uploads to watch all of them even if I wanted to.

From this method and from watching the odd video, I can only think of two channels that have clearly taken the pro-Ukraine side. Even David Duke is pro-Russia (and pro-China). Can you list more of the pro-Ukraine DR people?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Frodi Midfjord, Golden One, Richard Spencer and his fags, Greg Johnson, Thuletide, Apollonian Germ etc.

The majority of DR figures are pro-Russia but a lot of followers are obsessed with duginist conspiracy theories and asiatic bolshevik Russia and Putin is controlled by Jewish oligarchs bs.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know about the other ones, but as I understand it the Golden One takes a more nuanced position, he's closer to neutral.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

the Golden One takes a more nuanced position, he's closer to neutral

The closer one is to the Russian giant, the less friendly he looks. Europe is right to fear Russian expansion but sadly, Russian occupation is the only hope Europeans have at this point to stave off genocide by their own ZOG governments. A new iron curtain. The last one kept Eastern Europe white.

I have no faith in populist movements like RN or Brothers of Italy saving Europe. Western Europeans are by and large spiritually dead people and they can only be saved through subjugation by fellow Europeans.

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think that this type of defeatist, messianic thinking is productive or realistic. Putin's sole concern is the maintenance of the strength of the Russian state - not even that of the Russian people. He has no interest in the creation of a based and regenerated Europe or anything like that. At this point it's fairly clear that any efforts for the regeneration of Europe would have to come from the inside and perhaps even radiate outward towards Russia in order to rectify the major problems with the Russian system. Not to mention that relying on Russia to save the rest of Europe poses many other practical difficulties and essentially presupposes a third world war, in which case universal decline appears to be a much more likely result than regeneration of any sort, be it in Europe or in Russia.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think Russia will be able to reach the western part of Europe. I mean, I would be pro Russia in that scenario, but it's highly unlikely.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

That's interesting.

Frodi: The only Odysee channel I know that belongs to Frodi is https://odysee.com/@gtk:4 It looks to me like he hasn't made any video on that topic specifically, so that slipped under my radar.

The Golden One: His view seems to be that Ukraine is indeed better than Russia, but also that Russia is better than NATO. https://odysee.com/@thegoldenone:a/RussiaukraineOdysee:4

Spencer and his fags: His only Odysee presence seems to be the Radix account. I'm not watching this full hour conversational livestream https://odysee.com/@radix:c/Ukraine-3-20-22:b but a brief perusal of the comments section leads me to believe that the views expressed by both Dutton and Spencer within are clearly pro-Ukraine. Thus the top comment is:

It's time to purge the right of duginism enjoyers, lads. You'll thank me later.

Whereas a comment that I find more agreeable receives 31 flames (upvotes) but as many as 15 slimes (downvotes). That isn't to say that I wouldn't be sympathetic to the above comment, only that I can't really think of any serious Duginists out there that need to be 'purged' to begin with. 'Duginist' has become something of an attack term.

I 100% support Putin and Russia and I am right wing. Sorry Putin has the right to protect his own borders and people, Ukraine is being used by the ever murdering NATO who does anything but keep peace. To me if you support Ukraine you support NWO.

Johnson: There's far too many uploads on the Counter-Currents channel for me to find specific proof, but I'll take your word for it https://odysee.com/@countercurrents:6

Thuletide doesn't appear to have an Odysee account, if he even is a video content creator at all (I think that's a Telegram channel, but I don't use Telegram to be able to follow him).

ApollonianGerm: Looks like you're correct on that as well. I'm not watching a 24 minute video, https://odysee.com/@ApollonianGerm:a/beyond-russia-v.-ukraine-and-an:e but the YouTube comment section also strongly suggests that he's taken a pro-Ukraine stance.

Every time I hear someone taking sides and believing in "Putin the saviour" I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. You are one of the few who doesn't fall for it, Apollonian.

While this comment doesn't seem to literally take sides per se, it can be easily construed as problematizing the pro-Putin people. The 36 upvotes and no hostile replies suggest that the Germ's viewers provide like-minded company.

A piece of an Odysee comment also might provide something of an insight:

It seems like atleast 90% of the right has been completely subverted by putin/duginism. I keep trying to convince people about this but nobody wants to hear it and just indulge in their putin personality cult despite the facts I put forth.

The way that I'm understanding the above is that anyone Russia-leaning or pro-Russia must be 'subverted' and Duginist, even if they, like me, know nothing about Dugin and Duginism. Only by bending the definition of Duginism in such a liberal way could one seriously claim that '90%' are Duginists.

The only two I was aware of were Martinez and an obscure video creator who went by the name of 'DR Tankie' on BitChute and now goes by the name of 'KievanRus' on Odysee. The latter was probably close to a genuine NazBol position before becoming more WN to the point that he's pro-Ukraine, much unlike actual tankies.

I guess that brings us to a total of nine Ukraine-leaning or pro-Ukraine DR figures (I'm splitting 'Spencer and his fags' into Spencer and Dutton here).

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That isn't to say that I wouldn't be sympathetic to the above comment, only that I can't really think of any serious Duginists out there that need to be 'purged' to begin with. 'Duginist' has become something of an attack term.

The people who attack Dugin are the ones most similar to him only they're dumber. Dugin is a reactionary Christian + conspiratard. It would be like an Incel/'TradCath' Alex Jones Groyper tendency if there was anyone who liked Dugin in the West. I don't know of anyone like this, the ones who are into the conspiracy stuff he's into are all just racist liberals or libertarian schizos (like the non-alt right people on this site) not people who are interested in reading anti-enlightenment stuff, Christianity etc.

The reactionaries in the west as far as I'm aware aren't interested in conspiracy stuff, they just like to read old books, play Paradox games and fantasise about how cool their favourite historical period is and how definitely not hot their favourite King/Emperor/Kaiser was and how much they definitely don't want to have sex with him.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

play Paradox games and fantasise about how cool their favourite historical period is and how definitely not hot their favourite King/Emperor/Kaiser was and how much they definitely don't want to have sex with him.

Lol, I don't think there are that many gays in this circle. Gays are warmly accepted nowadays in the liberal mainstream. They're almost an aristocratic group nowadays.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Them being an aristocratic group is all the more reason to be reactionary spergs

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The people who attack Dugin are the ones most similar to him only they're dumber. Dugin is a reactionary Christian + conspiratard. It would be like an Incel/'TradCath' Alex Jones Groyper tendency if there was anyone who liked Dugin in the West.

This is a very astute observation. Dugin actually does a similar thing to a lot of the Sedevacantist TradCaths and those other Christians who claim that Catholicism is "Roman spirituality" etc., since instead of following a normal orthodox tendency of his religion he sought out and joined the community of the Christian Old Believers precisely because he thought they were more "pagan" and "trad", and presumably because this would liberate him from having to care about the actual doctrine, practice and hierarchy of the dominant religion in Russia and give him more creative freedom to write schizo nonsense.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

even if they, like me, know nothing about Dugin and Duginism.

Same here. I literally know nothing about Duginism, haven't read his books, nor do I intend to, and couldn't sit through ten minutes of any of his interviews. He's just another Christian imbecile who fabricates grand and labyrinthine fantasy narratives to tiptoe around the real issue of race and Zog.

Plus, what these retards don't know is that Dugin is a nobody in Russia. He's such a nobody that he was fired even from his sociology professorship at Moscow state. This is supposedly the grey eminence of Russia who's serving as Putin's brain.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You might know even more than I do. I didn't know he identified as Christian.

I didn't know he was a sociology Professor either. I assumed that his 'Ethnosociology' had nothing to do with sociology in the sense of the social science practiced in the academe, but he must have understood sociology, the social science, well enough to have became a Professor.

All I can think of is that his 'Fourth Political Theory' is practically another form of third-positionism or 'third political theory', and that he supposedly admitted that.

That he claimed that being Russian was solely to do with 'spirit' (in practice, simply ideas) and not gene/race/ancestry.

That he supposedly believes in something called 'chaos theory', meaning that he wants to support all kinds of people with mutually contradicting interests so that they may destroy each other. That makes him sound like some sort of cartoon villain to the point that I have trouble accepting that one. I think it relates to the similarly strange idea of him being a secret Satanist.

Like you, I fail to see how this guy is Putin's brain or the 'real leader' of the 'global Far-Right' or whatever the hell else the Western media accuses him of being. He seems like an obvious bogeyman, blown out of proportion to be a kind of Bond villain and evil mastermind. More of a bogeyman even than David Duke.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I literally know nothing about Duginism, haven't read his books

Of all of his books, I have only read the Political Platonism essay collection, which was actually interesting. I hope to revisit it sometime. Dugin makes some intelligent and even innovative observations occasionally, but unfortunately he seems to be a schizo so there's a lot of nonsense mixed in with the good stuff as well. His broader political project more generally is also incoherent, which I suppose is to be expected when he's trying to synthesise every major political ideology with ancient Hellenic thought, Heidegger, Traditionalism and his own weird spiritual, mythological and geopolitical ideas about a semi-pagan, semi-Christian Eurasian empire etc. When he starts talking about stuff like "Dark Logos" and other such nonsense it becomes extremely obvious that he's gone off the deep end.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

ancient Hellenic thought, Heidegger, Traditionalism and his own weird spiritual, mythological and geopolitical ideas about a semi-pagan, semi-Christian Eurasian empire etc. When he starts talking about stuff like "Dark Logos" and other such nonsense it becomes extremely obvious that he's gone off the deep end.

It's just a bunch of nonsense. I disapprove of this whole philosophical approach to statesmanship and politics altogether. You form states or systems in consideration of what's practical. Are these borders practical economically, demographically, and militarily? Will this system of government/societal organization help me achieve my aim?

States that build themselves around trying to conform to a philosophy and ideology are unsuccessful for the most part. Nazism, Bolshevism, and the French revolutionary regime all fell due to this flaw.

In the Soviet Union, the party's desire to stay true to the teachings of Marx and the spirit of communism prevented it from ever undertaking the necessary reforms and making the USSR an economically viable empire. It ultimately collapsed due to this.

In Nazi Germany, Hitler's obsession with seizing land from the slavic untermenschen led to brutal treatment of the slavic peoples of the USSR. People that could've been allies against bolshevism. It also barred the Germans from ever managing to reach an honorable and separate peace with the USSR. Hitler to his last days held onto his retarded delusions about striking a deal with his Germanic English cousins.

France similarly drove out the country's upper class and brought the country to civil war and economic collapse due to their obsession with individual liberty and destroying the catholic church.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's just a bunch of nonsense. I disapprove of this whole philosophical approach to statesmanship and politics altogether. You form states or systems in consideration of what's practical. Are these borders practical economically, demographically, and militarily? Will this system of government/societal organization help me achieve my aim?

That's an implicitly philosophical approach, though. In order to know what system suits your aims, you first need to articulate what those aims are. It's about means and ends. Philosophy, or perhaps, a specific category of philosophy, deals with the ends and provides the principles. The implementation is what is left up to practice.

In the Soviet Union, the party's desire to stay true to the teachings of Marx and the spirit of communism prevented it from ever undertaking the necessary reforms and making the USSR an economically viable empire. It ultimately collapsed due to this.

I must disagree with you here. Beginning with Khruschev and "de-Stalinisation" there was a drift towards revisionism and that is what ultimately destroyed the Soviet Union. Faithfulness to the traditional interpretation of Marxism-Leninism would have most certainly preserved the state. Gorbachev was a liberal reformer, and obviously liberal reforms do not mix well with a communist system. China provides a counter-example to this, since in China communist elites successfully initiated various economic reforms and still retained power. If those reforms helped or hindered the cause of Marxism in China remains to be seen.

As to France, I think you are mostly right, but it's worth noting that French liberals genuinely didn't care about an illiberal France, and that their intransigence ultimately meant that they got their way.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's an implicitly philosophical approach, though. In order to know what system suits your aims, you first need to articulate what those aims are. It's about means and ends. Philosophy, or perhaps, a specific category of philosophy, deals with the ends and provides the principles. The implementation is what is left up to practice.

Fair point. I'll concede that what your objective is shaped by thought and philosophy.

I personally have somewhat of a crude and grug view of this. In my mind, the government's job is to ensure that dharma or the right order of the world is maintained in the state. This right order of the world is essentially making a moral society and ensuring outcomes that are in line with morality.

How do you derive morality you say? Imo, true and objective morality can only derive from two sources:

A. Biological adaptiveness: That which is good for the survival and flourishing of the group and the individual is good and moral. Things like patriarchy, nationalism, strong families, moralizing art and culture, eugenics, martial values and a culture of masculinity. That which is maladaptive for the group is immoral/evil. Feminism, cosmopolitanism, post-modern art, sexual degeneracy, dysgenics, pacifism and hedonism for example.

B. Natural law: There are certain patterns that repeat in history. Societies that abandon values like patriarchy, asabiya, nationalism, religiosity, worship of ancestors, martial values, eugenics, modesty and martial values decline and collapse. Those that abide by them flourish. You gauge from this that it is God's will that these values be adhered to. This is how the universe is designed and you must abide by these principles. It is the right order of things.

Both these viewpoints are essentially the same thing and are different routes to the same destination. If you are of a scientific persuasion and you prefer reason and solid evidence, you can take the Darwinian approach. If you don't like such materialism and prefer a more spiritual outlook on the world, take the natural rights approach.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Idk if you're reading Rolo Slavskiy, but this anti-ideological pragmatic approach requires some basic ideas about what is good in order to establish goals (otherwise you would establish random goals). This is ideological by itself.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who is Rolo Slavskiy? I have never heard of him before.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spencer fags include him, Dugin and his gay lover Mark Brahmin. There's also some cringe accounts on twitter that push macronism: Eurohegemonist, DSA ubermensch (lol) etc. I seriously wonder at times if these are just Spencer alts.