Free speech question

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

America was founded on free speech and it was an ethnostate up until WW2.

Speech is never a problem. It's subversion by foreign elements like Jews who open the doors to 3rd world immigration.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nope they used usury to become the richest people in the world and then controlled the institutions through having that money.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The only form of "free speech" ideal that should be supported is personal/private speech, not applied to mass media or any form of speech that influences the masses. Speech isn't some magical concept that as long as it is "free" then it benefits society. Many have this same delusion about the "free market". Every social ill today is a product of speech, every revolution or social change whether good or bad in history is a product of speech. Yes, it works okay as an ideal when the intelligentsia are good custodians of the culture but it shouldn't be worshipped as ideal considering how much suppression will be neccasiry in the overthrow of the current ruling ideology. You won't defeat them with "facts and logic"

    I know this isn't a popular concept. I am surprised how many on the far right worship the liberal ideal of "free speech". The only way the far right should champion freedom of speech is in a Leninist way. What I mean by that is fight your right for "freedom of speech" when you are the one being suppressed but have no interest in upholding that ideal once in power.

    [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This free speech thing is an American thing honestly. I don't want free speech, because it usually results in subversion. I would definitely ban any treacherous speech against the church and the State. But against whites yeah, why not? Whites as a group are not snowflakes.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yes but I wouldn't put these people in prison or something, instead they would be rehabilitated through doing charity work and community service.

    I don't see how someone would hate white people when jews have no power to make them hate us though, there would be no jews in positions of influence in my country so there'd be no anti-whiteness.

    [–]asterias 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Or even better, export them to non-white countries so they can find the paradise they dream of.

    [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you control other facets of society free speech is less of a problem. I would definitely bring back/enact laws restricting some forms of speech, however, and certain political ideologies (hint: most of them that aren't fascist or adjacent thereto) would and should be completely banned and outlawed.

    [–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ethnostate or not, people should be free to say whatever they want, within reason. Obviously there should be some limits regarding explicit calls to violence and a few other things. If people want to trash whites, more power to em, so long as whites are able to do the same about them. I'm not in love with white people or think they are above criticism. Some of the biggest pieces of shit on planet earth are white, and maybe their whiteness contributes to their behavior.

    The problem I have with the current situation and critical race theory is that everyone is invited to, and even expected to trash whites, while whites are not allowed to do the same, or even defend themselves without being censored and deplatformed. Even worse, this takes place in mandatory publicly funded education, university education, and workplace education, with no rebuttal or disagreement allowed.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Whenever this question comes up I always refer back the national socialists. Hitler divided society into three parts. The volk, the peoples community and outsiders. In my ideal society the volk would be given some limitations on speech, the people's society more restrictions and the most restrictions on outsiders.

    So to answer your question I would not allow 'absolute' free speech to anyone in the ethnostate but the volk would have the closest thing to free speech.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    What was the division between the volk and the people's community? Hadn't heard of this before.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The people's community was a way to give partial citizenship to non Germans who were loyal to the the reich. Not even every German had perfect German blood lines so the 'People's community' was a catch all for non perfectly documented Germans and Europeans to still have legal standing in the Reich. I think it also sought to keep Germany lines pure. I.e. A German marrying someone in the peoples community produced a German. A Peoples community member marrying a people's community member produced a people's community member. It also helped to keep Jews out of German blood lines. You couldn't even be in the people's community as a Jew. I can't remember where I read all this though so I'm going to have to re-research it to brush up.

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      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'm not really sure to be honest. I believe it was mostly for whites, i.e. the extended European family. However, there were probably exceptions for exceptional non whites. I wouldn't be surprised if foreign SS troops somehow gained people's community status.