Are calls to violence allowed on saidit?

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[–]binaryblob 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

On Reddit tons of people are rooting for Ukraine to fuck up as many Russian soldiers as possible. Those are also calls of violence, but those are of the "good type".

If you can't call to violence, there is no freedom of speech.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

War is a matter of state policy. The state in general is a fundamentally violent institution, but discussing state policy is almost always acceptable.

[–]binaryblob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

OK, so saying "kill all the members of some race is cool", but saying "kill John Doe of race X" is bad (in the implementation of the state policy just kill John Doe first and then magically have a new insight about people of race X)?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You're talking about specificity, which is one of the criteria for Brandenburg v Ohio, although the rules on this site are a little stricter. We should leave race out of it for now because that just confuses things. Theoretically, governments are supposed to avoid killing innocent civilians. That being said, there are circumstances in which killing is generally considered acceptable. Soldiers are fair game, within the laws of war. And more severe crimes - for example, rape or drug dealing - are punishable by death in many countries, and it is fine to discuss whether this is the right course of action for a state to take, and if so, what manner is preferable (e.g. lethal injection vs electric chair).

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I am talking about how in a democracy you must also have a path for the next Hitler to be elected.

It should be possible to run for office and say that you want to make it into law to kill whatever group you want. It might be desirable in some abstract sense to not have candidates running for office that don't want to do that, but that's not relevant.

I think anyone, but especially politicians, should be able to chant for example "less $RACE people" all they want. How can you get voters, if you have to keep your plans a secret? It doesn't make any sense, other than to protect the interests of those currently in power.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's not what Hitler said or did.