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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

cope

[–]Three_Rainbow_Dildossocks alts: boobiebrother, crustybutt, dingoatemytaco, schizoid 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Spot on. I find it interesting watching Ethnocrat's psychology predictably unfolding here. He essentially went through three phases as things went from bad to worse:

First, there was the 'Zemmour positivity' stage, for example:

The polls will shift a lot by the time they arrive.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8p6y/the_jew_zemmour_splits_the_far_right_vote_between/wabd

The reason for this was in major part because of the effects of the filter bubble, as suggested in this following comment. It is the exact same phenomenon that plays a big part in why Democrats believed that Trump was #NotMyPresident: they simply live in social milieux in which the overwhelming majority of people were indeed anti-Trump, thus giving them the false impression that this was reflective of all of America. It likely also holds true in reverse, with Republicans abjectly failing to understand that the Democrats have won every popular vote since as far back as 1988 (!), and desperately need to defend the electoral college and curtail the immigration that has led the Democrats to constant popular vote winnings, because without the EC they would have already lost every federal election for decades. Over thirty years later, there were countless delusional fools that believe that Trump could somehow even win the popular vote in 2016 or 2020:

The polls really confuse me. All the energy I see online -- and even on the ground via French footage -- is behind Zemmour. He has the biggest rallies by far. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/94bp/marine_le_pen_open_to_appointing_leftists_if_she/xjli

This was also accompanied by attitudes that contradicted his second stage, as I will next cover:

NR wasn't close to victory. The regional elections were terrible.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8gej/is_zemmour_being_promoted_in_france_to_subvert/vdn3

Secondly, as Zemmour neared his spectacular collapse, receiving only 7%, Ethnocrat moved towards rationalized switching to the next best option: believing again in both the desirability and potentiality of a Le Pen victory (essentially reverting to the option we all had before Zemmour became a wedge issue).

Here, we can see him in this stage of doubting. When asked about whether the polls could be wrong, he seems to have given up on the idea that Zemmour could catch-up, but hasn't abandoned the idea that France 2022 would be much like America 2016, with most polls simply being flat-out wrong:

Not entirely. I still think the polls could be wrong.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/93s0/marine_le_pen_is_likely_to_win/xhxv

On the news here they said both Macron and Le Pen have 24%, Mélenchon has 19%, and Zemmour and Pécresse are both at 8%. Look like Macron is underperforming and Le Pen is overperforming. If these numbers are true -- and it looks like they are -- she could definitely win the second round.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/94r5/the_majority_of_french_youth_would_vote_for_le/xkx0

The following seems to me a clear case of reading into Le Pen and RN our desires. RN seems to me generally to have become quite moderate, and not for optical reasons as Ethnocrat has suggested elsewhere. Whether RN is actually cucked or are only 'optics cucks' is really a whole other topic.

Yes, a Le Pen victory will push the Overton Window further right. It will have positive reverberations all over Europe. Her proposed policies on immigration and identity are not that much different from Zemmour's. There's also the new sense of normalization of Le Pen and her party that Zemmour has achieved. Le Pen now looks like a center-right candidate, even though she's not. This is great. It just shows you how much to the right the political spectrum in France has shifted.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/93uo/is_marine_le_pen_worth_getting_excited_over/xhxx

Less than 4 points to get to more than 50%, and she was at 42% a few weeks ago. She definitely has a much better shot at winning this time.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/93s0/marine_le_pen_is_likely_to_win/xhmp

Thirdly, as Le Pen's chances also appear ever remote, he then moves to the Macron acceptance stance, one exemplified by Richard Spencer's absurd views which go so far as to be pro-Macron rather than merely ones of begrudging acceptance (for example, that Macron laughably has a 'positive vision' for Europe [whatever that even means] whereas Zemmour 'just whinges'), as well as the military saviourism stance:

I actually think Le Pen losing would be better because she would be a powerless president anyway. The change France -- and the rest of Europe -- needs won't come from some national populist being elected. It will come from a literal insurgency, especially from within the military. The liberal elites in France are actually at risk of being overthrown by a military coup. Nowhere else in the West is the risk of such a coup -- and the support among the population -- as high as in France. The country is a ticking time bomb.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/96bq/so_who_won_the_debate_between_le_pen_and_macron/xpdt

These developments have culminated in the making of this post, in which Macron's victory has been accepted.

By contrast, keeping in mind that the election was 58-42, my estimation (55-45) was far more accurate (indeed, even I underestimated Macron by 3%). I wrote this 21 days ago, before the round one result 15 days ago:

Macron would easily be re-elected, albeit by less of a margin, much closer to 55-45 than the previous 66-33 result.

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/93s0/marine_le_pen_is_likely_to_win/xhtm

Lest we forget that Macron is our enemy par excellence, the scumfuck bastard views us and not Antifa or anyone else as his the biggest enemy:

In celebrating victory, Macron acknowledged a debt to voters who helped get him over the line, “not to support the ideas I hold, but to block those of the extreme right.”

Once again, France's extreme-Left bias in which Eurocommunists have a much better relationship with Macron than the 'Far-Right' becomes flagrantly obvious. Indeed, a Communist who, unsurprisingly, is probably also a Jewess, clearly agrees:

“It was the least worst choice,” said Stephanie David, a transport logistics worker who backed a communist candidate in round one.

https://apnews.com/article/2022-french-election-voting-results-f5b549e3b99930ee05bed17a9d3870b6

Two things everyone needs to learn from:

  • We need to be far more trusting of polls when they come from nations where they are less unreliable (e.g. France), and only distrusting of polls where they have a history of failure (e.g. America). The blatant failure of polling in America 2016 did not refute all polls.
  • We need to be more mindful of reaching conclusions without taking into account certain academic conclusions that have survived the test of time, such as Duverger's Law or the sheer power of the 'fourth branch of government' (mass media), which clearly was able to aid Macron through constant fearmongering of the alternative over the past few weeks. The media played a big part in boosting Macron several points once they ceased attacking Zemmour, which is clearly reflected in the last two weeks of polls. And so somehow Macron, whose popularity once fell to 18%, still managed a victory.

And, of course, I should end this comment with an obligatory "Fuck Macron!". A "Fuck Spencer!" is also in order, since he's the kind of idiot who would have his followers cast votes for Macron and not Le Pen, just as he laughably had them cast votes for Biden in America 2020.

I do agree with Ethnocrat that Le Pen needs to step down as leader (something which in many parties around the world happens after just one loss, but RN hasn't institutionalized well enough to function without the founder's family), and that we need Macron's piece of shit party to lose to absolutely anyone who is opposed to them come June. My presumption is that LREM will indeed lose seats in the National Assembly, will still a retain a majority, albeit one definitely less than the current 60.66% majority.

Also, it looks like Far-Left nutjobs too extreme even to begrudgingly accept Macron are out in full force right now. It all looks reminiscent of Portland in 2020:

https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/france-election-results-protests:c

Lastly, I think that Le Pen will do even worse next election simply because Macron can't run again. Since many voters ascribe the problems to whoever is President, in Macron's absence the LREM will effectively have a clean slate. The same thing can be seen in South Africa, where plenty of voters (including plenty of dumb Whites) did not see the 'Rainbow Nation' or even the ANC as a problem, but only Zuma. They all thought that Mandela was great and that the ANC would also be great if it was rid of Zuma. I imagine those same people have now shifted to blaming Ramaphosa for all that goes wrong, not really understanding that the Presidency is far from the problem.

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Please do not attempt to psychoanalyse your fellow posters.

[–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This isn't psychoanalysis, it's more like a reflection of the reality of the rights chances in the electorate/system vs wishful thinking

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Talking about other people's "psychology" and the various "phases" their thinking goes through is a blatant attempt at psychoanalysing others, and it is mean spirited, unnecessary, pretentious and obnoxious. It is one thing to make a reasoned argument, to offer an explanation or even to tell someone they are "coping" - it is a completely different thing to pathologise and deconstruct the thinking of others.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Bro, you're a faggot, kys. Imagine unironically tracking what some dude on SAIDIT DOT NET of all places has said and then making this gay call out...

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

It's practically over for France. Demographics will make it impossible to win in 2027. Only civil war or coups will be viable then and those are not happening in this cuckhole of a country.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The dramatic change that needs to happen could never be achieved through parliamentary means with conservative politicians. How can so many look at the situation of the West and still place so much emphasis on electoral politics? The only way it could possible happen through elections would be a Hitler type who gets elected then seizes sovereign power over the entire system.

While the demographic issue is the most existential threat it is a symptom of a much larger corruption that is present in all areas of power and influence.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How can so many look at the situation of the West and still place so much emphasis on electoral politics?

We obviously can't vote our way out of this problem.

[–]Dashing-Dove 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is the realization that France's native population will eventually arrive at, but it likely won't happen until conditions worsen enough that no amount of propaganda can mask the truth, and more alarmingly, perhaps delayed until the demographic situation is unsalvageable and their homeland is lost.

Another issue is that the fate of many elites is disconnected from that of their country. If its conditions are eroded sufficiently that no enclaves of safe luxury exist, they will sooner flee to foreign refuges than take action to reverse damaging policies like mass immigration from the 3rd world.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is okay to support the mainstream conservative/national parties in the meantime but the energy of the right should not be directed to obsessing over electoral politics. The problem is when these electoral dramas distract the right from recognizing the reality of the situation. This issue was especially noticeable during the Trump election fiasco which was even worse considering we just seen how worthless 4 years of Trump was.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the energy of the right should not be directed to obsessing over electoral politics.

What exactly do you mean by "the right" here and what alternative do you propose to electoral politics? Where should the energy of the right go?

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did the Bolsheviks wait until they got elected?

While it may be a fantasy right now the West needs a revolution. Revolutions have happened before and they will happen again. Europe needs a whole new system and new outlook. The first thing to be done is start educating dissidents on this fact.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Have you ever been to Paris? It's awful. Niggers everywhere. They steal anything they can. They are super dark, extra retarded, and impulsive. France is an African country now.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No wonder the Japanese get so shell-shocked when they go see it.

[–]Three_Rainbow_Dildossocks alts: boobiebrother, crustybutt, dingoatemytaco, schizoid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Indeed. I wonder whether these blacks hate each other or whether they're melding into a sort of generic 'black French' similar to how 'black Americans' have no idea which part of Africa they come from (and indeed, the latter come from practically everywhere in West Africa and to a lesser extent also Central Africa).

In all likelihood, given that this development is only a few decades old, I imagine that ethnogenesis hasn't really occurred yet, and it will take a long time further. And so I can imagine them all hating each other: more mixed blacks like the Haitian upper classes hating more pure blacks and vice versa. Add the Algerians and other non-black foreigners to that mix, who also hate the abeeds, and I really can't figure out how the hell any French person can say: "Yep, my country has really improved because of 'diversity'" without being brainwashed or otherwise incapable of thinking beyond the ideological blinders put on him by mass media and 'education' systems. I doubt a single day would pass without some of them shooting or stabbing each other over drugs, gang affiliations and other bullshit.

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    [–]Three_Rainbow_Dildossocks alts: boobiebrother, crustybutt, dingoatemytaco, schizoid 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, I thought I read something like that in the past but didn't bring it up in my reply precisely because I couldn't remember what it was either. But basically, that plenty of these Algerians and Moroccans and so on would probably honour kill any of their women who were messing with abeeds.

    It reminds me of how literally everyone, including abeeds themselves, hate other abeed. Somalis call Kenyans abeed, and yet Saudis in turn call Somalis abeed. It's the same thing with Sudanese: northern Sudanese call southerners abeed, only to be themselves called abeed by Egyptians and other less black peoples. Islam does have a kind of racial hierarchy in practice, even though it is totally haram. Thankfully, for their sake, those peoples haven't totally lost their senses when it comes down to race.

    The same thing is true in Latin America. For example, Dominicans (of the Dominican Republic bordering on Haiti, not the other Dominica) hate the more-black Haitians, especially for invading them numerous times in the past and because illegal Haitians cause plenty of problems there today, but to people like us Dominicans are just slightly more-mixed groids and only marginally above Haitians. To us it's like watching two people arguing between whether Malik Obama is better than his brother Barack. Well... Malik is far more based, but they're both groids at the end of the day.

    [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Regardless of how their parents feel it's relatively common for MENA women to have black kids, a mixed race population of brown/black with no identity and likely to adopt an anti white mentality to define themselves lacking anything else.

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      [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

      When you have the retarded mentality of one drop rule then maybe in the U.S. and large parts of Europe.

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        [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        at some point the amount of individuals with mixed blood assimilating into the greater gene pool becomes too excessive until genetic bleaching is no longer feasible

        I made this thread a while back and I think u/Bagarmoossen was closer to the truth than the rest of your comment though.

        https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7qvu/is_the_us_really_doomed_based_on_current/

        [–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        The vast majority of "blacks" in the US are mixed race, makes a pretty good argument for one drop rule.

        [–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        American blacks are still far genetically closer to blacks than whites. No one is making the argument African-Americans aren't black. Their average IQ is much higher than sub-Saharan blacks though, which is an argument against the one drop rule.

        [–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        American blacks are still far genetically closer to blacks than whites.

        They're still around a quarter white on average. Most are very definitely in the "mixed race" continuum even if they're closer to Africans.

        Their average IQ is much higher than sub-Saharan blacks though, which is an argument against the one drop rule.

        Raise the average African in Western society with a healthy diet and their IQ is probably closer to 80 i.e. very close to AA IQ. Besides their IQ they're also at least as prone to violence and only a little bit better at long term planning in my experience having spent time around both groups. I don't see how this is argument against the one drop rule.

        [–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        France is not Paris... I lived in France for years and barely saw any black people where I was. On one of my first visits to Paris on the other hand, some sneaky nigger grabbed my gold necklace which was an heirloom from my grandfather. I tried to catch him but the fucker could run. So yeah, watch out for Paris but most of France is still beautiful & worth fighting for.

        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I figured there were nice parts of France. It was probably wrong of me to judge France by Paris, but man that place is an exceptional shithole. The traffic was shocking. There was no order to it. It was like driving in Africa. Imagine what Paris would be like without niggers?

        [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Honestly out of all Western militaries I'd put France and Germany at the top for most likely to stage a coup just based on prior statements and actions.

        [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        What would a Le Pen presidency actually change?

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        She probably stood a better chance without the Russia connection. Europe right now really dislikes Putin, and threatening to pull France out of NATO was the final poison pill.

        Not even the Jew Eric Zemmour was that crazy. He was more concerned about the great replacement.

        [–]Oingo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Whether you’re for or against Russia, supporting their invasion was a stupid decision on her part with minimal gain for a maximum loss.

        Incredibly poor strategy, shilling for the invasion has no real benefit for European interests, and they should be as silent on that topic as possible.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        To the contrary. If she had been elected while praising Putin's military intervention, it would have been a HUGE win for France. Too much integrity, that's what always kills the far right.

        Politics is for dishonorable shitheads.

        [–]Oingo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I’m all for Russian Eurasian imperialism, but try telling the average French rural person that the key to their future is a multiethnic islamo-russo-mongoloid dynasty to combat America is a tall order.

        [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        While I would have liked the le pen victory for the shock value, I was hoping for a Macron Victory. The point is that a "based and redpilled" president unable to do stuff won't really, you know, do anything useful, and that would have been the case for le Pen. She's too much anti-eu, and we need a power block to stand against America. So honestly I prefer Macron, with the option of an European army. Plus, it seems pretty clear that at this point the radical right is institutionalised and will be the main contender for any future election, so all in all not bad.

        [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        The only way out of this is if military leaders pull a Franco, which I don't see happenkng. Ostensibly 30.percent could just take over by force, whether 60 percent suppet globohomo or not.

        [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Ostensibly 30.percent could just take over by force, whether 60 percent suppet globohomo or not.

        Much less than 30% can take power.

        [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        25-33 percent was the number in support of the American Revolution.

        [–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)