Russia raises nuclear threats if Finland/Sweden join NATO.

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https://nypost.com/2022/04/14/russia-warns-finland-sweden-against-joining-nato/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

Russia vowed Thursday that if Finland and Sweden join NATO, Moscow would bolster its troop presence and deploy nuclear weapons around the Baltic region. ​​ Finland, which shares an 830-mile border with Russia, and Sweden, located across the Baltic Sea, have been open about their interest in joining the 30-member Atlantic alliance after Russian President Vladimir Putin​ invaded neighboring Ukraine Feb. 24.​ The Nordic countries are currently non-aligned militarily but their leaders have said they would make a decision about joining NATO in the coming weeks. ​ “If Sweden and Finland join NATO, the length of the land borders of the alliance with the Russian Federation will more than double. Naturally, these boundaries will have to be strengthened,” said Dmitry Medvedev, a Putin ally and deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council. ​He went on to raise the nuclear stakes by saying that there can be “no more talk of any nuclear-free status for the Baltic.” M​edvedev added that Russia hadn’t been planning on bolstering its Baltic forces, but must now reconsider because Helsinki and Stockholm are forcing its hand, emphasizing “it wasn’t us who proposed this.” The Finnish government on Wednesday released a security ​report to lawmakers that weighs the advantages and disadvantages of becoming a NATO member.

All this whining about NATO only confirms that Russia doesn't see other European countries as independent. At which point, I rather feel sympathy for Finland who would do anything to not be a Russian colony again, or get dragged into a Donbass-style civil unrest.

But Russia can never use nukes in any scenario, since it guarantees they would cease to exist. Make your choice Russians. Do you really want to die for a Schizo boomer, or live your own life?

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[–]NeoRail 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (54 children)

Seethe.

Russia doesn't see other European countries as independent.

They are not.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (53 children)

They are not.

Poland disagrees, and notice how Russia can't touch them?

It's unfortunate, but only the threat of a NATO umbrella can keep the Russians away.

[–]NeoRail 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (47 children)

Nothing you said has any bearing on the fact that none of the European states are independent.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

What language do they speak in Poland? Who can cross their borders or run for their President?

There's obviously a level of independence or you're just playing stupid.

[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The funny part is that if this is really your definition of independence, then even the US it not independent because they don't control their borders, there is no official language and even the child of illegal immigrants can run for president.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The funny part is that if this is really your definition of independence, the US it not independent because they don't control their borders,

Which is correct. U.S sovereignty hasn't been protected in years. Trump couldn't even get his wall built, so the future of the country is up in the air.

there is no official language and even the child of illegal immigrants can run for president.

Again, I'm less likely to argue this because these are huge problems to being an independent nation and at some point, they're going to collapse.

But going back to Poland, they have a unique identity and they resist another foreign power (i.e Russia) from swallowing them up.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But going back to Poland, they have a unique identity and they resist another foreign power (i.e Russia) from swallowing them up.

That doesn't contradict my first statement at all.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well then you be you. I think Poland is an independent country, and joining a military umbrella that stops them from being invaded by Russia is both integral and a sign they don't want to be replaced by somebody else.

Finland and Sweden are making the same moves because they too see themselves as being independent from Russia and it's the only way to protect that.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

You're conflating having a culture with being independent. Very few independent ("I can do what I want when I want") states exist.

I don't think your spectrumizing of independence makes much sense here. A state is either independent or it is not. Not sure how you conflated being able to speak a language with being independent. Your obfuscation of this seems quite intentional. Do better.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He's a very low quality shill. He has never put forth any sophisticated argument for any of his shilling causes. Though there are that exist.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You're conflating having a culture with being independent.

They're synonymous.

Imagine Israel without being a Jewish state, or Japan without no Japanese culture? They would be dead instantly.

If Polish people can speak their own language or defend their borders from foreigners, that's enough independence.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

In just two sentences, you swap your requirements for what constitutes an independent state from a state that upholds a specific culture, to a state that upholds its own borders and has an official language. By the former criterion, which you set for Israel and Japan, there really are not independent states in Europe, except perhaps for Hungary, and maybe Russia.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Culture includes language and borders. Specifically, one that the Native people approve of and are willing to protect from outsiders.

I don't see Israel or Japan contradicting these examples. Both nations absolutely defend their culture and if they disappear, so do they.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Culture includes language and borders. Specifically, one that the Native people approve of and are willing to protect from outsiders.

I don't see Israel or Japan contradicting these examples. Both nations absolutely defend their culture and if they disappear, so do they.

Yes, the problem is the exact opposite, specifically that you are not also applying these requirements the other way around. Are you playing stupid?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Why do you waste time with this troll?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

specifically that you are not also applying these requirements the other way around.

Invading another country is to undermine another culture and their integrity.

That's what Russia is doing to Ukraine right now. Resisting them IS protecting their own independence.

Once again, Finland, Poland, Sweden don't want to be controlled by Russia. They continue to practice their own separate laws, languages and beliefs that form separate cultures. They are just as willing to defend their uniqueness via military alliance and force.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're conflating having a culture with being independent.

They're synonymous.

Imagine Israel without being a Jewish state, or Japan without no Japanese culture? They would be dead instantly.

If Polish people can speak their own language or defend their borders from foreigners, that's enough independence.

No they aren't. That's not the same as independence and I suggest you look up the definition of the word in the context that it is being used, because you (or is it me?) clearly have a very different idea of what independence implies.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who else but the people living inside those countries get to dictate the culture that is there? If another country or group of people came in, forced them to stop practicing those things, I would not consider them independent anymore.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Just look at the spread of LGBT issues around Europe. Not sure what to say if you think the socio-cultural homogenization of Europe is organic.

Your stubbornness on this makes think you're being disingenuous. Don't really care what else you have to say on this as you're demonstrably wrong.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just look at the spread of LGBT issues around Europe.

Germany had gay shit in the 1920s, but they elected their own Nazi Party to deal with it.

The same is true of any country today. We don't need Russia barging in like the world police, let other nations handle it themselves.

Especially when all their wars are getting thousands of people killed.

[–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

They technically still speak German in Germany, but there is way too much English language advertising, as German is borrowing hundreds if not thousandz of English words. I doubt Poland is that much better.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

There's English in China too. But that's clearly because it makes it easier to do business on an international stage.

Try running for German or Chinese politics using only English, and I can't imagine getting far, let alone, be elected.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

I can explain it, but cannot comprehend it for you.. Maybe Rammstein's Amerika?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I know that song. It's lampooning American culture for being like imperialism and influencing nations worldwide.

However, many things are influential or have a wide reach. Like Japanese pop culture. Or even French.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

You just are not getting it. At the current trajectory, neither the Germans people, culture, not language will exist. It is a slow acting poison.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It has nothing to do with the English language, but their birth rates and policies on immigration.

Which is not to say, I'm asking them to do nothing. No, they clearly need to preserve a future for Germans.

The same is true with China. Unless you're a diplomat or work in business, English doesn't control them.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but only the threat of a NATO umbrella can keep the Russians away.

They submit to Zionist America to ward off Russia. Good choice. It certainly didn't backfire for South Africa.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Zionist America sucks, I agree. But I also hate seeing Europeans getting slaughtered in pointless wars that Russia is starting.

If joining NATO ends up saving lives and protects European nation security, so be it.

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      [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

      If I have to choose between negrolatry tranny children imperialism and russian Imperialism, I'm ok with the Russian one.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

      Then go live in Russia then.

      When Russia drops bombs on countries that are 99% White, the citizens didn't ask to die. It's their right to push them back and not take orders from the Kremlin.

      [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

      Between white countries, you obviusly side with the one which you embrace the values. And i for sure don't embrace the american values.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      Why does it have to be a choice?

      Sweden has been able to reject both Russia & America before. Like when they openly supported the Viet Cong.

      https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sweden-announces-support-to-viet-cong

      [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

      The gayest country in yurop lol Na just roll in russian tanks

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      Russia is already struggling with Ukraine, waging a 2 or 3 front war will destroy them.

      [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      not my point.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

      Enjoy that koolaid while it lasts.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      They already invaded Finland at the start of WW2 and got their asses handed to them.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Right, so they would do the exact same thing the exact same way, completely ignoring what they've learned in the past. Got it.

      Again with kindergarden logic. If you can't do better than that, you should really let the grown-ups talk about these serious topics, STFU, read and learn something. Maybe THEN you'll have something worth reading to write.

      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Right, so they would do the exact same thing the exact same way, completely ignoring what they've learned in the past. Got it.

      I expect them to do worse. Russia doesn't have a modern version of Georgy Zhukov to lead them to victory.

      Even more crazy is you expect them to wage multiple front wars when their logistics can barely keep up with Ukraine so far.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The Soviets invaded to move the Finnish border further from Leningrad. That's not an issue any more. The Finnish border is far from any strategic location in Russia today.

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        [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        When Russia drops bombs on countries that are 99% White

        Have ever heard of a country named Serbia?

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        Yes, but no one tried to annex them, like Russia did with Crimea.

        [–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        How much do you know about Republika Srpska? Or Kosovo?

        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I know that back in the 1990s, the Communist Yugoslavia fell apart. Which kicked off a series of civil wars in the Balkans, as different ethnic groups formed their own republics. At one point, NATO got involved, but not because they wanted to annex any territory for themselves or create puppet states, like Russia has done with Ukraine or South Ossetia.

        So the comparison just doesn't work when describing current world events.

        [–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        It seems to be a habit of yours to constantly shift the goal posts. I have seen you use this tactic in perhaps about half the posts you make. It is quite incredible to watch. That aside, it seems you really don't know much about the war. You shouldn't comment on things you do not understand.

        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Which character from this story best resembles u/radicalfag?

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          [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          Yes, the citizens asked to die by not taking action against their politicians who want to encircle Russia so as to complete OPERATION UNTHINKABLE.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Russia has nukes. Nobody was ever going to invade them.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          You can't even be bothered to look up OPERATION UNTHINKABLE. Talking to you is like talking to a pile of bricks.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Hold on a second, let me get Winston Churchill on the phone. He's not picking up.

          Maybe it's because he's dead and nobody was around to seriously push the idea.

          [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

          Another quality post from radicalfag. I hope you're getting paid to be a retard.

          Finland who would do anything to not be a Russian colony again

          Finland being absorbed into Russia would probably be one of the best things to happen to them.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

          Then let the Finnish people vote on such an act.

          But waving a nuke in their face that says "join or die" is just going to piss them off.

          [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          vote

          Democracy is gay and so are you.

          [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

          You look no better than the Americans invading Iraq "to liberate them".

          Nobody asked for the bombs and mass deaths that come with war.

          [–]Edjean50 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

          So many users on this sub have the mentality of children and have massive egos thinking their opinions are the only correct ones and that they're some kind of master debaters.

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            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

            Gay lovers forever.

            [–]againstpedorights 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            😮

            [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

            Why? Russia is a mafia state corrupt to the bone where any resemblance of ethno nationalism brings you to jail.

            [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

            That's not true, but if it were, is Finland better off under the thumb of the US?

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Is America dropping bombs on Finland, killing thousands of civilians?

            [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            What's not true? Mafia state? Corruption? Jailing of ethno nationalists?

            Of course it's better for Finland to be off the thumb of the U.S. but I beleive that Russia would not be that better.

            [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Mafia state? Corruption?'

            This is mostly conjecture, basic descriptors we give countries that go against the world order. They don't really mean anything.

            Jailing of ethno nationalists?

            That's bad, but not really related to the point. Russia does not push negrolatry, is not going to flood Finland with subsaharans and arabs like the US has. The Finnish people will undoubtedly survive if they side with Russia, otherwise they are doomed to the fate of Sweden, which is already less than 2/3 white. These countries have small populations, and it doesn't take very long to completely ethnically exterminate them. Not only would I prefer Finland to be under Russia's influence, I would prefer that America's geopolitical situation was more like Russia. Despite their issues, Russia stands a much better chance at surviving at least the next 50 years than the US does.

            [–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            This is mostly conjecture, basic descriptors we give countries that go against the world order. They don't really mean anything.

            I say it by observing russia's overall quality of life and everage life expectancy. They have a population of 120 million and an immence territory rich with natural resources, they should be one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

            That's bad, but not really related to the point. Russia does not push negrolatry, is not going to flood Finland with subsaharans and arabs like the US has. The Finnish people will undoubtedly survive if they side with Russia, otherwise they are doomed to the fate of Sweden, which is already less than 2/3 white. These countries have small populations, and it doesn't take very long to completely ethnically exterminate them. Not only would I prefer Finland to be under Russia's influence, I would prefer that America's geopolitical situation was more like Russia. Despite their issues, Russia stands a much better chance at surviving at least the next 50 years than the US does.

            Good points, but I'm honestly skeptical about Putin's russia and it's obsession with denazification.

            To conclude, I still don't think that they will touch Finland in any way for the simple fact that the EU has a defence pact, if they attack they will be attackign the entirety of the european union.

            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            a mafia state corrupt to the bone where any resemblance of ethnonationalism brings you to jail.

            Whoah buddy, don't shit talk American Jews like this. The good folks at the ADL are protecting you from the Nazis. You have no reason to hate them if you're not a nazi. You're not a Nazi, are you? Surely you wouldn't want the FBI to get a tip on you?

            [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Of course jews and america are our main problem, Russia is simply not that better.

            [–]EuropeanAwakening14 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes, as opposed to America and countries under zog influence.

            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Wait, the rest of the world aren't corrupt?

            [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Russia is at the bottom.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            OK so you have access to all the data about the amount of corruption in every government. Must be nice hallucinating like that. Get real dude, you are writing your unfounded beliefs as fact. You know NOTHING.

            [–]williamlpierce 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            All this whining about NATO only confirms that Russia doesn't see other European countries as independent

            cause they aren't

            [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Another great troll thread by u/radicalfag. Well done sir! You are really good at this.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Underrated comment.

            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

            If Poland and Lithuania are dependent on American military protection for their independence, are they actually independent or are they tributaries of the US?

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

            Unless America annexes their territory and makes them 51st states, America is simply a bodyguard they hired to keep Russia away.

            Which by the way, you know Russia has their own military protection too right?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization

            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

            Those states are semi-tributaries of Russia and they have to kow tow to it. NATO is the American club and all members are vassals of it. Every member of NATO has negrolatry and trannies shoved down their throat. Look at Poland. Gay parades in Warsaw, US pressuring the government to give away half of Warsaw to Jews and pressuring them to take refugees. Great ally.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            In a perfect world, both America & Russia would stop interfering in European politics.

            Sadly, we don't live in such an environment. But after the actions taken in Ukraine by Russia, other European countries are within their right to defend themselves from a Russian invasion, since being partnered with America has not caused their nations to be annexed by the USA (if at all).

            [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            US pressuring the government to give away half of Warsaw to Jews

            Huh?

            [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            https://www.dw.com/en/nationalized-jewish-property-warsaws-restitution-problem/a-52156875

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              [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              The West don't have hypersonics. Only Russia does.

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                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                Exactly. The time of asymmetrical warfare is NOW. This is the one time in history where Russia could survive after triggering a nuclear attack on the West, and the USA and NATO are doing everything possible to goad them into it. Sigh.

                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                And Finland & Sweden don't believe they can trust Russia to not invade them. Especially as we have users here who support Russia forcibly annexing them for whatever reason.

                The threat of hypersonic missiles doesn't mean much. America has had ICBM's pointed at Russia since the 1950s. As well as submarine based nukes that could pull up next to Moscow. But the threat of M.A.D stops both sides from actually going to war.

                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                There is no MAD while only one side has hypersonics. And that window should be closing within the next 2-3 years.

                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

                America has nukes, Britain has nukes, France has nukes. If they all fire thousands of them from land, sea and air, Russia ceases to exist.

                [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

                Russia has the best anti-air defense system bar none. They can shoot down those FEW missiles before they reach detonation altitude.

                Why few? Because there is no retaliatory strike against hypersonics. They take less than 5 minutes from launch to detonation. When nukes detonate BEFORE a retaliatory launch, THERE IS NO RETALIATORY LAUNCH.

                MAD depends on symmetry. The playing field is quite asymmetrical right now, favoring Russia.

                You really should graduate your military strategy thinking beyond kindergarten level.

                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                Russia has the best anti-air defense system bar none

                What air defense system? Their outdated equipment can't even stop Ukrainian rockets from blowing up their helicopters.

                You expect them to stop top of the line nuclear missiles raining down from space?

                The playing field is quite asymmetrical right now, favoring Russia.

                They just lost their flagship to yet another missile attack. They're all bark, no bite.

                https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-kyiv-black-sea-estonia-8ccaa918f813a844321187ed116ff091

                [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Drinking the AP news koolaid, I see.

                Yeah, nobody ever lies, and you always analyze everything in depth, looking at both sides of an argument. /s

                NOTHING you write has any shred of credibility. AP has LESS THAN ZERO CREDIBILITY. They are 100% narrative and agenda disinformation.

                [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Ah yes, Russia is perfect and can do no wrong. Their army is STRONK, and we must all cower in fear.

                Even though they abandon their own equipment, and Farmers drag them away with tractors. Is this the power of the Russian bear?

                [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                What air defense system?

                S-400 and S-500 are considered top GBAD systems, but Russian weapons are questionable. They could be filled with vodka and cigarettes.

                They just lost their flagship to yet another missile attack

                The Moskva was laid down in 1976, so I'm not surprised it was unable to defend itself against modern missiles and what was possibly a nato assisted attack. The launch tubes for it's defensive missile systems were probably welded shut in 1993.

                The Russian navy is in rough shape. They didn't start modernizing until recently, and all of their effort has gone into corvettes and frigates. All of their larger cruiser and destroyer class ships are soviet era hunks of garbage that belong at a naval museum.

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                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Just any nukes. The West don't have hypersonics yet.

                  [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

                  Russia will not do anything, they're just barking.

                  [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

                  You really don't get it... Russia will NUKE THE WEST.

                  [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                  And the west will nuke them back. Said that, nobody is retarded enough to use nukes, it's just a deterrent.

                  [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                  No. No they won't because they will be destroyed. For Russia it's either: let the USA perform OPERATION UNTHINKABLE or nuke the West and hope to survive.

                  You seem unable to understand that there may very well be no time to launch anything from the West before the Russian nukes destroy everything. 5 minutes.

                  [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                  Like with Ukraine?

                  [–]arainynightinskyrim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  The EU has a defence pact and Finland is part of it.

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