Europe is getting shredded by inflation

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from (self.debatealtright)

https://mobile.twitter.com/L_ThinkTank/status/1514570597187178496

A crucial energy meeting is ahead with Putin. Here the issue of gas for rubles will be clarified. If Russia closes the gas taps, German and Dutch industries will collapse.

I love how the Spencerites suck the EU's cock as it's supposed to be a wall against American and Chinese influence. Instead, all the EU has done is do America's bidding and destroy Europe's economy in the process. Not to mention the role it plays in bringing in and forcing refugees on member states.

The EU is another judaic organization and it must go as well.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah based EU is never happening. Anyone who has studied EU laws knows how liberalism is deeply embedded into any law, resolution and framework, and all these pro-EU "nationalist"/"imperialist" accounts are retarded ironybros at best and malicious actors at worst.

EU must die so genuine European superstate can be born (I'm talking far into the future sadly).

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I love how the Spencerites

Aee there actually any Spencerites? I cant remember the last decent take Spencer had

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He probably means me, but I don't listen to Spencer anymore.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't mean you. There are a lot of Spencerites on Twitter who post about Jupiterian Macron with an EU flag pp.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see mostly women and anglos on twitter that support his worldview of racial liberalism. Which to be fair it's rational to do so if you're a materialist atheist but also recognize the reality of race.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It's time for a 1930s redux.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Le Pen will probably lose. All the pigs are circling the Macronite wagon. Soon that scumbag Melenchon will endorse Macron as well to save ''democracy''.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Le Pen will probably lose.

We'll see.

Soon that scumbag Melenchon will endorse Macron as well to save ''democracy''.

That will permanently damage his credibility as a leftist. A lot of his voters will be absolutely disgusted if he does that.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Seen another one yesterday for US and I think the situation is much worse than those percentages indicate and stating inflation in terms of proportion would be better.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but simply going by raw percentages of the line items without adjusting them for the proportional expense that those items represent to the average/median cost of living (or spending) leaves a lot missing from that analysis. For example, if food and rent for the average person is 50% of their expenses and those items went up 10%, then I think changes those expenses to now represent 55% of that persons expenses.

If this is correct, I think people would better understand the gravity of inflation when they realize how much it chews into their income, i.e. inflation needs to be communicated not as a percentage but as the proportional change it represents.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good point. All inflation isn't equal. Medical, housing, education, gas, and food take up the lion's share of everyone's monthly income. Inflation in things like clothes or cars doesn't matter as much. I suspect there's been a huge hike in the price of food and gas. Housing's been going up for ages but I don't know if there's been a dramatic hike off late.

Medicine is probably as before.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I really hope that Putin strangles Europe with his gas pricing. The EU has been acting as a U.S. satrap for too long, and their joining in the sanctions was the last straw. Russia has an opportunity to really put the screws to them now. They could bring Europes economy to a halt in months, long before they are able to build those LNG terminals for U.S. tankers (which are very expensive anyways).

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I changed my mind about EU in the wake of the war and i still stand my point. We need joint military in order to be truly indipendent - and I'm speaking mostly about American imperialism. The actual nation states proved to be totally worthless resisting the American diktat, despite objective and material interest to prevent and/or stop the war asap.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The political elite is the most important element in these matters, and both the nation states and the EU - especially the EU - are utterly dominated by Americanised liberal democrats.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yeah but I can't see any way out of the American influence without a very serious military and a drop out of NATO. This can only be achieved in a EU level.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

A EU military would always be in the service of NATO, because the liberal ruling class are inextricably linked to the NATO project.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don't agree with that, we have no evidence about this happening. When a political block starts having an increasing military power, it also starts pursuing his own goals more and more. There is indeed a neoliberal elite, but there are also populist elites, pro-sovereignty elites and so on.

You are reducing everything to a struggle between good and evil, but that's rarely the case in the real world. So, on a pragmatical level, you must ask yourself: what would allow more European indipendence from America? Not relying on America's big military budget would obviously be an unavoidable step in order to get indipence. So we need an European army.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When a political block starts having an increasing military power, it also starts pursuing his own goals more and more.

If those goals are still liberal in nature and devised by liberal politicians, I do not see how that could possibly matter, or how it would not lead to an additional reinforcement of NATO, given that NATO is a liberal project.

but there are also populist elites, pro-sovereignty elites and so on

Those are just different types of liberals, your native Italy possibly excepted if we assume that Brothers Of Italy really are crypto-fascists - something I strongly doubt.

So, on a pragmatical level, you must ask yourself: what would allow more European indipendence from America?

The dissolution of the EU, NATO and other political structures that serve as a conduit for American power. After that, any Pan-European initiative would have to start at the nation-state level and gradually build up a new and completely different type of European federation.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, BOI is not a cripto fascist party, they are national conservatives. But when, we speak about continental policies, we must ask ourself what is most beneficial between the realistic opportunities - we can't fixate ourself on the irrealistical goal to just destroy everything and build it back by ourself. Things like that rarely happens. Guelphs and Ghibellines fought each other for at least three centuries in europe, and at the end of the struggle no one imposed his vision on the other for the simple fact that while they were battling for unrealistic goals the history was moving forward, to the point where those goals not only were impossible to achive, but also totally meaningless.

So, what are the realistical opportunities, given that europe needs military protection?

  • every single nation state starts a nuclear program and throw money to the military individually. That seems to be the goal of BoI and Le Pen right now, but i don't think it can actually happen. Everyone signed for the treaties of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and while we can theoretically opt out, there must a goverment willing to do so. Even if the party in power is willing to do so, it's unlikely that the goverment will ever do that, because of political opportunities - they need to be re-elected and they need to limit their action to the most popular things. And right now we have the Nato which provides the military and the nukes, which leads us to the secodn scenario
  • we just keep up the NATO alliance and we rely on the american military power. That means that we can't really have a foreign policy indipendet from the US; in order to achive this goal, however, America needs filo-american in the goverment, which is the basis of the american soft power. America doesn't really care about internal policies of his allies, they settled up several fascist dictatorships in AmLat in the last century; but given the political structure of the western countries, aligning to the american foreign policies basically requires to align with the broader american policy. It's not a case that trumpism resulted in a populist shift in european countries. I can explain this point better if needed, but that's how it works, more or less.
  • we totally switch political alliance and we align to another major global power, essentially China, Russia and maybe India. This can't be done because there are american bases scattered all over europe, and while America could accept a more self reliant Europe, can't accept to give the power to a direct competitor
  • lastly, we build an european army, we start telling american that we don't really need the american bases in Europe anymore and we start developing and indipendent foreign policy. We won't cut every tie with America, but the loss of direct influence on the foreign policy would result in a shift in the soft power, which eventually could naturally reduce itself, expecially when we will start to have diverging goals.

At the end of the day i don't think that the neolibs will be able to be the driving force in the west for a very long time, because the globalist project already failed, and that was their main vision. Neoliberalism will evolve in something different, and so will do the elites. So what we must ask ourself is not if we like or not the neolibs - obviusly we don't otherwise we wouldn't be on an alt right forum - but if we prefer to have an indipendent europe or a Europe which depends on America, when the neoliberal order will start to crumble.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If we are talking about what is or is not realistic, an independent Europe that replaces its elites and decides to separate from America is already extremely unrealistic. If this is in fact achieved or even attempted, it must necessarily occur precisely on nation state lines. I do not think it is necessary for every European state to have nuclear weapons - the big, powerful states are the only ones that require a nuclear arsenal.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well I don't agree on that. We conflate our enemies because we are interested in some very specific points, mostly related to cultural and ethnical issues. But it's not like we are alone against a big monolithic block devoted only to crash us. There are other driving forces, material and cultural interests, political positions and so on. Stating that Europe will forever follow the US even without the military subjugation is just false: during this ucranian war the European interest is to stop it ASAP, both for economical, diplomatical and security reasons, while America's interest is prolonging it in order to secure his position in Europe and harm the Russian power. Same in the sirian war, where the objective interest of Europe was to stabilize the situation in order to progress with his agenda. If we were indipendent, we would have had very different stances on both matters, and that would have opened a wide window to crticize those elements of the American culture that are anti-european. Similar situations will arise in the future.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're still thinking in national terms. The ruling class are all liberal cosmopolitans, they have no attachment to any given country, nor to its economic fortunes. The only thing that matters to them is their own, individual material gain, and the maintenance of their power and ideology.