We only get one chance in life to see something this cool.

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

So I was playing around with google maps when by accident, I pressed something that took me to outer space.

I had no idea this function existed and I'm in complete awe that I found it.

Take a small break from politics, and have a look at our planet from the only known Space Station. And yes, you can look around in all directions and check out the rest of the space craft.

https://www.google.com/maps/space/iss/@29.5602853,-95.0853914,2a,75y,209.96h,95.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szChzPIAn4RIAAAQvxgbyEg!2e0!7i10000!8i5000

This should serve as everyone's reminder that no matter what we do on Earth, in the grand scheme of things, we still look insignificant to the universe around us.

It also doesn't surprise me that if Aliens do exist, they have reasons to not visit us. They must consider Humans to be the "niggers" of the universe, with how we treat global politics and waste our own development as a species, by going to war all the time.

And this brings me to my next point.

Jared Taylor was right about his stance on the Ukraine/Russia conflict. It's not about who is the wrong, it's the fact that two white brothers are killing each other while birth rates of both Russia & Ukraine are below replacement levels.

We don't need these conflicts. We need more scientific advancements that can actually help explain why we are in this universe. And once we do learn our place, we can probably get invited to the big Alien club and understand how they got here as well.

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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

This should serve as everyone's reminder that no matter what we do on Earth, in the grand scheme of things, we still look insignificant to the universe around us.

How can divine beauty be insignificant? Just look at what you sent and honestly call it insignificant.

We don't need these conflicts. We need more scientific advancements that can actually help explain why we are in this universe. And once we do learn our place, we can probably get invited to the big Alien club and understand how they got here as well.

Man this is such a Nigger Grass smoking Tyson tier take. Go back to reddit lmao

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

How can divine beauty be insignificant? Just look at what you sent and honestly call it insignificant.

There are billions of ants on this planet who live in their own world and probably have their own histories of conflict. Yet does the average human care what happens when we step on one by accident?

Now imagine Aliens looking at Earth with the same idea. If we as a species want to be taken seriously, then we need to get off this rock and explore the rest of the galaxy.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Now imagine Aliens looking at Earth with the same idea.

Even from a materialist perspective it's extremely unlikely that advanced life developed elsewhere in the universe before humans and near impossible that they figured out the FTL travel they would need to observe us that way. This whole self-deprecating idea of humans being the bad reactionary poor life-forms is a very strange secular liberal imitation of mythology.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Even from a materialist perspective it's extremely unlikely that advanced life developed elsewhere in the universe before humans and near impossible that they figured out the FTL travel they would need to observe us that way.

This is just cope, especially when humans only entered the universe timeline for a brief second. Before Humans, there where other ape-like creatures who were around much longer. Then it was dinosaurs, and single celled organisms who didn't even possess a brain.

The idea of Aliens to me represents some kind of being who perfected civilization and continued to build upon science.

Humans could join those ranks too, but only if we take a serious look at our politics and realize "our whole system is a lie".

This whole self-deprecating idea of humans being the bad reactionary poor life-forms is a very strange secular liberal imitation of mythology.

It's understandable when our current worldview is shaped by pointless violence. Again, look at Black people. I don't care if they take pride in themselves, nobody considers their race special because of how little they contribute, while feeling closer to animals instead of civilized.

I only want what's best for our species, and that's to move past the constant infighting.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This is just cope, especially when humans only entered the universe timeline for a brief second. Before Humans, there where other ape-like creatures who were around much longer. Then it was dinosaurs, and single celled organisms who didn't even possess a brain.

The evidence points to Earth having developed complex life very early

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/08/25/491307739/are-we-the-earliest-intelligent-life-in-the-universe

The idea of Aliens to me represents some kind of being who perfected civilization and continued to build upon science.

Humans could join those ranks too, but only if we take a serious look at our politics and realize "our whole system is a lie".

It's understandable when our current worldview is shaped by pointless violence.

I only want what's best for our species, and that's to move past the constant infighting.

These ideas represent the genesis of mythology/religion and it's honestly fascinating how it's taken shape over the last few decades. This legend of enlightened, pacifist, liberal aliens silently chastising the backwards dirty humans.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The evidence points to Earth having developed complex life very early

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/08/25/491307739/are-we-the-earliest-intelligent-life-in-the-universe

Simple life, actually. Prokaryotes have been around for about 4 billion years. Eukaryotes have only been around for about 1.2 billion years. There was such a long delay between the emergence of simple and complex life that many scientists view it as an evolutionary bottleneck. Some even propose it as a candidate for the great filter.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point, the emergence of complex life was so unlikely it's nearly impossible mathematically. I meant early relative to other planets in the universe though.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The evidence points to Earth having developed complex life very early

In our evolution timeline, Chimpanzees predate Humans and they still exist. But we don't call Chimps more advanced.

I never ruled out when did aliens appear. For all we know, they could have began life when the Ancient Egyptians existed.

These ideas represent the genesis of mythology/religion and it's honestly fascinating how it's taken shape over the last few decades. This legend of enlightened, pacifist, liberal aliens silently chastising the backwards dirty humans.

Even as an Atheist, I don't rule out religion having some kind of purpose in explaining how we got here. I actually do find the topic interesting because every human civilization that developed independently still had a culture that talked about ultra powerful beings. Aztecs, Japanese, Vikings etc, they all make reference to gods or angelic creatures.

I don't believe these religions to be correct just because from the start, they all contradict each other (i.e Christianity says there's one god, but Hindus believe in multiple) but from a scientific point of view, I would love to learn more about why do hyper intelligent species always come together and worship these figures? Could it actually be a key to understanding why the universe exist, or is it just a decades long game of Santa Claus being passed on.

Or even more realistic, maybe religion developed because of what people saw or claimed where divine figures. For example, 1000 years from now, there could be humans who find my internet posts and decide to make a religion about me. It doesn't mean I'm actually god, but to other people, they feel like my feats or wisdom inspired them to think that way.

If Jesus was a real guy and he did pull off some of those tricks he did, I can't blame people for thinking he must have been some kind of super human. Jesus could have been like a magician or scientist of his time.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For all we know, they could have began life when the Ancient Egyptians existed.

Well in that case unless we somehow develop omniscience or vice versa, we would never know the other existed.

I don't believe these religions to be correct just because from the start, they all contradict each other (i.e Christianity says there's one god, but Hindus believe in multiple)

Outside of Semite religions and sometime even with them there's lots of common themes between religions. Unironically read Guenon and Evola. Hindus actually believe that the gods are just facets of one Being, they're not exactly polytheists.

from a scientific point of view, I would love to learn more about why do hyper intelligent species always come together and worship these figures? Could it actually be a key to understanding why the universe exist

Do more studying on religion you might find commonalities that challenge your worldview

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well in that case unless we somehow develop omniscience or vice versa, we would never know the other existed.

Then it's important for man to keep trying. But here's something that's more interesting. You know how the Earth is round and revolves around the sun? For thousands of years, we didn't have satellites that could fly into outer space to tell us. But there where already humans on this Earth who figured this out, by using math & science to predict this model with 100% accuracy.

Similarly, as we do learn more about about the origin of life on Earth, we could just as easily use the same prediction tools to confirm what actually exists in the vacuum of space. That doesn't mean we'll come up or have the formulas ready right away. But with computers almost beginning to rival humans in intelligence, we could start reaching an era of running "life simulations" and that could greatly confirm the existence of aliens or not.

Outside of Semite religions and sometime even with them there's lots of common themes between religions. Unironically read Guenon and Evola. Hindus actually believe that the gods are just facets of one Being, they're not exactly polytheists.

I don't deny they have common themes, and that may even be very important to understand them. I guess when I say "contradictions" I'm referring to how some religions depend on alternate history. For example, the Japanese religion believes they all came from a god, and before they lost WW2, the Japanese were suppose to be the race that controlled all of Asia. In retrospect, the story still holds weight. Japan is obviously one of the most advanced and powerful countries on Earth. But I guess losing the war also debunked the notion they were always destined to succeed or if they were somehow flawless.

Do more studying on religion you might find commonalities that challenge your worldview

Whenever I have a free time, I absolutely do try and read about different religions. I actually remember in High School, I even completed a class based on studying world beliefs and got good grades. So I have experience and it still influences me to this day.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For thousands of years, we didn't have satellites that could fly into outer space to tell us. But there where already humans on this Earth who figured this out, by using math & science to predict this model with 100% accuracy.

Similarly, as we do learn more about about the origin of life on Earth, we could just as easily use the same prediction tools to confirm what actually exists in the vacuum of space. That doesn't mean we'll come up or have the formulas ready right away. But with computers almost beginning to rival humans in intelligence, we could start reaching an era of running "life simulations" and that could greatly confirm the existence of aliens or not.

I don't think those situations are really analogous since our ancestors made these calculations based on objective measurements of other objects moving relative to the earth. A simulation predicting the chances for a planet to harbor life is based on far smaller amounts of direct information, and often that information is millions of years out of date because of how slowly light travels.

I guess when I say "contradictions" I'm referring to how some religions depend on alternate history. For example, the Japanese religion believes they all came from a god, and before they lost WW2, the Japanese were suppose to be the race that controlled all of Asia.

The cult of the Emperor in Japan actually didn't hold that much importance in Shinto until the Meiji Restoration so it was a pretty brief point in history for them.

I actually remember in High School, I even completed a class based on studying world beliefs and got good grades. So I have experience and it still influences me to this day.

That's really great, I'd recommend to read beyond the HS level though as those classes tend to be very surface level and often have their own biases.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think those situations are really analogous since our ancestors made these calculations based on objective measurements of other objects moving relative to the earth. A simulation predicting the chances for a planet to harbor life is based on far smaller amounts of direct information, and often that information is millions of years out of date because of how slowly light travels.

We already have information here on Earth. Like the Miller-Urey experiment conducted in 1952 that showed they could create the building blocks of life in a lab. And even the wiki link mentions there is/where (?) examples of this experiment in space as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

And Charles Darwin theory of evolution basically promotes the idea life could theoretically exist anywhere, if the right set of genes get passed down and manages to survive their environment. Theoretically speaking, there could be life on Mars if the Martians that lived there adapted to the planet's conditions. So we don't necessarily have to chase after exact Earth-like behavior. Even something as simple as bacteria would still suffice as an "alien".

I don't deny however, there are a billion combinations and ideas to work with. But the inverse is also true. You also mentioned before that complex alien life could have originated very recently. In which case, maybe a new alien civilization is being born this very second, but it's now our goal to reach them.

The cult of the Emperor in Japan actually didn't hold that much importance in Shinto until the Meiji Restoration so it was a pretty brief point in history for them.

Yes, but the beliefs where still popular enough to influence how the Japanese behaved during WW2. They were like the Taliban/ISIS and saw their struggle in Asia (and later against America) as being a holy one. Once they surrendered, the fundamentalism also got gutted.

That's really great, I'd recommend to read beyond the HS level though as those classes tend to be very surface level and often have their own biases.

When I have time, I definitely like reading more about the mythos. But religion is still a low priority for me because there are other world issues that deserve more attention. Perhaps if we ever do achieve a more perfect world, then I would absolutely devote all my time to studying world beliefs and where they come from. But we're still a long way from reaching that target.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

it's extremely unlikely that advanced life developed elsewhere in the universe before humans

Why?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Something to do with the order of elements in the big bang. Idr agree with this materialist shit but even from that perspective he's wrong

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/08/25/491307739/are-we-the-earliest-intelligent-life-in-the-universe

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Another funny thing about this fantasy of woke genius aliens scolding humans for their backwardness is that the assumption extraterrestrial life exists, much less intelligent extraterrestrial life, is completely baseless. Not to mention how farcical it is to imply that an alien species would have any particular attachment to Enlightenment rationalism - an ideology which is extremely aberrant, uncommon and historically marginal even for the human species itself.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This new mythology requires arguably far greater leaps of faiths than any major religion in history yet it's championed confidently by atheists.

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's a weird situation. The entire science lover culture is like this. Dawkins for example constantly gets made fun of for being an ignorant, rabid doctrinaire.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dawkins for example constantly gets made fun of for being an ignorant, rabid doctrinaire.

I had no idea this was a thing lmao

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is not common knowledge because the good anti-Dawkin polemics rarely get attention in the public sphere, but demolishing him and the other New Atheists seems to be a pretty popular exercise in certain intellectual circles. Plenty of scholars who specialise in religious studies or comparative religion consider him to be a complete clown who does not even understand his object of criticism.

[–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This should serve as everyone's reminder that no matter what we do on Earth, in the grand scheme of things...

Tactical nihilism?

It's not about who is the wrong...

No shit. This may sound edgy, but power is all that matters. Everything else comes after.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tactical nihilism?

My point is Earth itself is not special. And from a survivalist point of view, it's a terrible idea for us to stay on this rock forever.

If the sun explodes or an asteroid collides, we would go extinct, for possibly forever. It's actually ironic if there are people here who see themselves as nationalists, but don't believe in spreading our race across the galaxy. Local threats on Earth like nuclear war or climate change already exist, we need another exit plan when Earth suddenly becomes unlivable.

No shit. This may sound edgy, but power is all that matters. Everything else comes after.

And look at where this power actually goes? It's like two kids fighting over a playground. Are they actually doing it to make a point, or is it just the typical bullying and low crass behavior?

As I mentioned in another post, at least hyper billionaires like Elon Musk & Bezos have long term goals that don't just involve usurping money forever. You can be the richest man on Earth, but if an asteroid is about to crash or you develop cancer, then all your money means nothing in the end.

I'm already aware of my own mortality, and I feel a bit disappointment that our global leaders don't take Space seriously. The 1960s saw impressive feats like launching satellites or landing on the moon. You would think by now, we would have landed on Mars multiple times and even build the 1st Martian outpost. Once we die, THAT'S IT. So we should be racing against the biological clock and maxing out our space research. Otherwise, it's only going to be Humans thousands of years from now who will actually get to explore Space and even learn 1% of how we all got here.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I find the Universe to be horrifying rather than beautiful or wonderful.

Seeing the Earth spinning through the vast blackness of space fills me with dread.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it's more than just "blackness". In fact, there are other planets that are right next to Earth! And we've sent robots to bring us back color photos of their surface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNx9hcrUpww

If Hitler had won WW2, the Germans would have made colonizing Space a priority. They were already the 1st country to launch a rocket into Space, and all the best scientists that helped land the first Man on the Moon were of German origin.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By volume the vast majority of the known universe is empty vacuum. People truly underestimate the logistics of space and its colonization.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don't seem to be aware of the vast distances involved here. Even the moon is 400,000 km away, from which distance the Earth looks like this. Mars and Venus are vastly further distances away. And the solar system itself is insanely far away from other solar systems.

[–]fukit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah space shit is cool. I figured the James Webb telescope would have gotten axed before it launched because it doesnt benefit shaniqua in her fight for racial revengejustice, and doesnt really benefit Israel. The two most important considerations in modern day Weimerica.

But it got launched before they could stop it. Maybe a last gasp of American accomplishment before our rapid descent into a third world nightmare state reaches it's event horizon.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know they're controversial figures, but I'm at least glad that Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos have pumped portions of their own money into funding Space Research, with Musk wanting to send a man to Mars by 2026.

So there's still some hope, even if it means Private Corporations seek control.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/03/interstellar-anti-racism/

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