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[–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

People consume all sorts of products and chemicals on a daily basis. If one wanted to be hysterical, one could probably make the case that pretty much everything is dangerous. Vaccines are highly regulated, billions are spent on R&D and the safety requirements are if anything so high that they prevent vaccines from being used thereby causing harm. I don't feel more afraid getting vaxxed than I do flying. Tens of thousands of people work with vaccine research and safety and they are spread across a tripple digit number of countries. No conspiracy that size has a snowball's chance in hell to survive.

Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

Billions of vaccines have been produced, the quality control is very high, and they aren't exactly difficult to examine. They would be the worst vector to use for transferring dangerous chemicals.

Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

If anything, they prevent spread of disease, meaning that they reduce the need for measures to protect against covid.

Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

After 1.5 years of fear and billions of doses given, nothing significant has been shown.

Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

It saved millions of lives, saved the medical system from tremendous pressure and prevented millions of people from getting severely ill. Vaccines give some of the best bang for the buck there is. They are a cheap way to stop the spread of disease. There is no need to create a large conspiracy for something that can easily be explained without one.

Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

Triple dose of Pfizer.

Antivax was a monumental failure of the right. A lot of political capital was spent on an issue that was factually dubious at best, thousands of right-wingers died because of it and little was achieved. In the end the clear majority of white people are vaccinated. No real policy was implemented by the anti vax crowd, no organizations were built and no elections were won. Now Ukraine dominates the news cycle and people have forgotten about covid. All that energy was spent on something that will give no lasting impact.

Had the same energy been spent on wanting to bring home manufacturing to improve supply chains or the crime wave, something that could have attracted more people and that could have outlasted covid could have been built. Instead, we got an entirely reactive campaign with no real goal or critique of ideology. The conspiracy theories never critique elite ideology, they are focused on how evil they are as people even though nothing wold change if they were replaced. Just reacting to whatever is trending on twitter and being anti that will never make a successful movement.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Antivax was a monumental failure of the right. A lot of political capital was spent on an issue that was factually dubious at best, thousands of right-wingers died because of it and little was achieved.

IMO it's more nuanced than this. The issues involved are very complicated.

Tens of thousands of people work with vaccine research and safety and they are spread across a tripple digit number of countries. No conspiracy that size has a snowball's chance in hell to survive.

Right-wingers have good reason to distrust authorities. There are thousands of medical experts who advocate for transgenderism, for example, or who work in the psychiatry industry cooking up bogus disorders like "toxic masculinity".

Of course you could say that the field of vaccine research is a lot more solid and more difficult to politicize than other fields. But when many of the most vocal proponents of vaccines are people who said they wanted you dead just a few weeks earlier, it's hard to shift gears and change heuristics.

The greater failure for the right was the lack of debate or discussion before coming to a position on COVID-related issues. Most positions were just kneejerk reactions against what the left was doing. Fortunately, many of these reactions ended up being right: lockdowns really were a way to disadvantage small businesses in favor of corporations, and the media really was pushing double-standards in calling right-wing gatherings "superspreader events" while praising left-wing protests.

However, other reactions were very wrong, such as treating covid like it didn't exist at all.

Ultimately this comes from the right's disorganization and (unintentionally) decentralized nature. The sad truth is that this sub is one of the few places where rightists can actually debate and think critically, unlike many of the echo chambers where one must take a hardline in one direction or the other.