COVID Vaccines: One Year On

submitted by Ponderer from (self.debatealtright)

It's been about a year since the COVID vaccines were first released to the public.

What are the assessments here as to their purpose and potential side effects?

Some questions to consider (you don't have to answer all of these):

  • Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

  • Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

  • Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

  • Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

  • Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

  • Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://howbad.info

This site has a bunch of good info it seems like there are some batches with less harm and some with more. The people that I've seen worst affected were athletic young males, mostly white. Lots of guys in the military and in sports dying of heart attacks. If any of you are vaccinated I'd recommend getting an ECG to check for heart damage before any strenuous cardio training or competitions. Personally I got double vaxxed by a combination of familial pressure and thinking that the vaccine was probably a nothingburger, since it seemed too good to be true for those in power to kill all their best goyim. I take responsibility for that mistake though and won't be getting a booster. Seeing all these governments in Europe and Asia starting to ban and suspended different vaccines made me start thinking there was something to the theories. From what I can tell there might've been a plot to create an artificial pandemic and increase deaths by rolling out a faulty vaccine but I don't think it was anything more than that based on the evidence, and given that governments have been able to act against it the conspiracy wasn't as overarching as some assume. Right now it's basically just a handful of NATO countries pushing it hard, Israel pushing the hardest which perplexes me.

[–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

From what I can tell there might've been a plot to create an artificial pandemic and increase deaths by rolling out a faulty vaccine but I don't think it was anything more than that based on the evidence, and given that governments have been able to act against it the conspiracy wasn't as overarching as some assume.

I was considering making a thread for all the conspiracies (or benign possibilities) that there could possibly be for the COVID vaccine. Everything from "the vaccines are the mark of the beast" to "governments just had the best interest of their people at heart".

Would there be interest in this?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should definitely watch the AltHype videos on this first

https://odysee.com/@TheAltHype:6/1_1:7

https://odysee.com/@TheAltHype:6/Sequence1b:a

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can bring some data to that thread but I normally only have time for quality posts sat and sun early morning.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What are the assessments here as to their purpose and potential side effects?

I posted an infographic on here few months ago comparing vaccine side effects vs covid side effects, you can look that up. Vaccine side effects are mostly not an issue.

Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

Trusting, although I came to that position critically, not blind trusting.

Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

No, I think depopulation schemes are nonsense. Schizos are yammering about depopulation for decades (muh Bill Gates vaccinates Africans), yet population just keeps growing.

Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

No, it's already dying out. Negative consequence is that we'll see more and more antivax nonsense in future because of governments pushing for tiny selection of the vaccines.

Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

Not so far, I got two of initial doses 8 months ago and booster 2 months ago, and clearly no one is dying on a mass scale like schizos claimed.

Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

"Greater good", i.e. getting you back to work (but still, you not getting sick is common point of interest between you and the bourgeois).

Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

Yes, by choice.

EDIT: and finally, this must not be memory holed, Ursula von der Leyen must be tried for a blatant corruption scandal, along with co-perpetrator, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla.

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    [–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Honestly I'm not sure what the angle really is with the vaccine, but my best guess would be that these big vaccine makers put a lot of money in the right pockets to create the vaccine mandates and then made an order of magnitude more in profits from said vaccine mandates.

    This makes sense. Corporations just being greedy, and there being nothing terribly wrong with the vaccine itself, would be a relatively more "benign" reason for the vaccine push.

    [–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

    People consume all sorts of products and chemicals on a daily basis. If one wanted to be hysterical, one could probably make the case that pretty much everything is dangerous. Vaccines are highly regulated, billions are spent on R&D and the safety requirements are if anything so high that they prevent vaccines from being used thereby causing harm. I don't feel more afraid getting vaxxed than I do flying. Tens of thousands of people work with vaccine research and safety and they are spread across a tripple digit number of countries. No conspiracy that size has a snowball's chance in hell to survive.

    Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

    Billions of vaccines have been produced, the quality control is very high, and they aren't exactly difficult to examine. They would be the worst vector to use for transferring dangerous chemicals.

    Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

    If anything, they prevent spread of disease, meaning that they reduce the need for measures to protect against covid.

    Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

    After 1.5 years of fear and billions of doses given, nothing significant has been shown.

    Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

    It saved millions of lives, saved the medical system from tremendous pressure and prevented millions of people from getting severely ill. Vaccines give some of the best bang for the buck there is. They are a cheap way to stop the spread of disease. There is no need to create a large conspiracy for something that can easily be explained without one.

    Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

    Triple dose of Pfizer.

    Antivax was a monumental failure of the right. A lot of political capital was spent on an issue that was factually dubious at best, thousands of right-wingers died because of it and little was achieved. In the end the clear majority of white people are vaccinated. No real policy was implemented by the anti vax crowd, no organizations were built and no elections were won. Now Ukraine dominates the news cycle and people have forgotten about covid. All that energy was spent on something that will give no lasting impact.

    Had the same energy been spent on wanting to bring home manufacturing to improve supply chains or the crime wave, something that could have attracted more people and that could have outlasted covid could have been built. Instead, we got an entirely reactive campaign with no real goal or critique of ideology. The conspiracy theories never critique elite ideology, they are focused on how evil they are as people even though nothing wold change if they were replaced. Just reacting to whatever is trending on twitter and being anti that will never make a successful movement.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    No real policy was implemented by the anti vax crowd

    Actually the myocarditis side effects was enough for the vaxx to be suspended in multiple countries

    [–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    In other words, risks of a death per many hundred thousand vaccinated was enough to stop vaccinations even though the death and myocarditis rate was much higher. The risks with vaccines was taken very seriously.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The risks with vaccines was taken very seriously.

    By some governments yes, others no. I'm pretty sure there are more excess deaths from the vaccine than from covid specifically among young people.

    [–]Ponderer[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Antivax was a monumental failure of the right. A lot of political capital was spent on an issue that was factually dubious at best, thousands of right-wingers died because of it and little was achieved.

    IMO it's more nuanced than this. The issues involved are very complicated.

    Tens of thousands of people work with vaccine research and safety and they are spread across a tripple digit number of countries. No conspiracy that size has a snowball's chance in hell to survive.

    Right-wingers have good reason to distrust authorities. There are thousands of medical experts who advocate for transgenderism, for example, or who work in the psychiatry industry cooking up bogus disorders like "toxic masculinity".

    Of course you could say that the field of vaccine research is a lot more solid and more difficult to politicize than other fields. But when many of the most vocal proponents of vaccines are people who said they wanted you dead just a few weeks earlier, it's hard to shift gears and change heuristics.

    The greater failure for the right was the lack of debate or discussion before coming to a position on COVID-related issues. Most positions were just kneejerk reactions against what the left was doing. Fortunately, many of these reactions ended up being right: lockdowns really were a way to disadvantage small businesses in favor of corporations, and the media really was pushing double-standards in calling right-wing gatherings "superspreader events" while praising left-wing protests.

    However, other reactions were very wrong, such as treating covid like it didn't exist at all.

    Ultimately this comes from the right's disorganization and (unintentionally) decentralized nature. The sad truth is that this sub is one of the few places where rightists can actually debate and think critically, unlike many of the echo chambers where one must take a hardline in one direction or the other.

    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

    Skepticism is like alcohol. Good in moderation, stupid when you overdose on it while shunning evidence.

    This classic comic comes to mind. Are all sandwiches a secret Islamic plot to kill you?

    https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/02/02/the-susurrous-sandwich

    Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

    A bizarre claim. Anything can be passed off as a "harmful" chemical, like salt. A better question is there a vaccine potent enough to kill you in one shot? And can we reproduce this experiment with 100% accuracy? I honestly think this is where the conspiracies fall apart.

    No vaccine right now has been proven to kill off the general population. Individuals may still be harmed by it though...

    Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

    Both yes and no. For example, it could be argued big pharma made bank selling Covid vaccines to the government. BUT, there's no proof that this type of scheme was ever going to last forever. In fact, the opposite has happen. Canada has a huge reserves of vaccines, but they're now sitting on the shelves being wasted. If there was an agenda to jab us forever, then why wont the government force us to use the remaining stockpiles before they expire?

    Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

    There will never be a real answer for this. Someone could walk in front of traffic and die. Do we blame this on the vaccine for disrupting their walk patterns? Correlation doesn't imply causation.

    Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

    Death rates were always at their highest pre-vaccination. Hospitals were running at max capacity and doctors were begging for the government to step in. In which case, I can't blame them for asking people to get their 1st and 2nd doses to stop the carnage. However, I think by the time the 3rd dose campaign was started, the virus was already running its course.

    Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

    1st shot was completely my decision. 2nd was more or less to comply with mandates and hope they would be lifted.

    Even then, I still think it was the smart thing to do. The government should have kept the 2 mandatory doses in exchange for removing masks & public gathering restrictions. Especially as these people put less strain on the healthcare system and in reality, they helped save thousands of lives.

    Covid seems to be over where I live though, and nobody is really pushing for a 3rd or 4th dose anymore so I think the conspiracy tards can relax.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If there was an agenda to jab us forever, then why wont the government force us to use the remaining stockpiles before they expire?

    You know the weirdest thing is that the only government that's gone all the way with this stuff is Israel, where 4 shots are now mandatory. It makes me honestly doubt the amount of influence and power the Israelis have if they're doing that to themselves. It's good those kikes acted as guinea pigs though since they're showing how useless the jab is

    [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Are you generally skeptical of the vaccines, trusting, ambivalent, or don't care?

    I was a vaccine skeptic on principle, right from the start. There never was a need to mass vaccinate an entire population against a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. But there was a sophisticated propaganda scheme to convince the public of such a need.

    Do you think the vaccines contain harmful chemicals, and if so, were these put there intentionally?

    Not chemicals per say. The problem is that the vaccine programs the body to produce spike proteins. The accumulation of spike proteins in the bloodstream causes clots to form, which is dangerous.,

    Is it possible that the vaccines themselves are benign, but that they have some other negative consequence, like helping to increase mass surveillance or shut out certain segments of society?

    The vaccine passports were a de facto way to exclude vaccine skeptics from society. My greatest fear was that the government would use this as a method to control the population. I am pleasantly surprised at how quickly they abandoned the vaccine mandates.

    Have any negative consequences from the vaccines already started to show?

    Yes, the VAERS database has recorded tens of thousands of deaths that can be attributed to the vaccines in the United States alone. There must be far more deaths when you add in other countrys, along with countless numbers of people injured by the vaccines.

    Overall, was the vaccine rollout done for the greater good, or out of a sinister ulterior motive?

    The covid vaccination campaign will go down as one of the most egregious cases of medical mass homicide ever recorded.

    Are you personally vaccinated (or do you plan to be at any point) - and if so, was it by choice or by force?

    I am proud to say that I have never been vaccinated, and that I resisted the propaganda, the coercion, and the peer pressure.

    [–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The vaccine passports were a de facto way to exclude vaccine skeptics from society.

    I could see that. From your perspective, were the spike proteins included on purpose, by accident, or because those in power just didn't care?