The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a total failure and could lead to Russia's downfall

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[–]lokke767[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An ukrainian victory was never on the cards, but this was supposed to be a quick and decisive win for Russia. Every russophile analyst predicted the war to be over within days and so did the Kremlin. Anything short of total, quick and decisive victory is a failure in this case.

The collateral damage is an order of magnitude worse than what the Kremlin predicted. Ukraine has been irreversibly depopulated and radicalized. This will lead to chaos long-term.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Almost no war with any real fighting lasts days, & definitely not in a country as large as Ukraine. The Twitter mobs that predicted stuff like that just don’t know their history.

It took the sole world superpower over a month + weeks of preliminary shock & awe bombings to take Iraq, much of which is uninhabited desert. It took millions of Soviet & German soldiers a month to take Poland in WW2. At the current rate of conquest , Russia’s victory IS quick & decisive.

As for Ukraine’s population being ‘irreversibly radicalised’ against Russia, anybody that subscribes here should understand that the average person follows orders, either grudgingly or enthusiastically. 40% of Ukraine’s population is Russophile & many of those are ethnic Russians. You can look up YouTube videos from 2014 of tens, sometimes hundreds of thousands of protesters waving Russian flags, demanding Russian military intervention.

Cities like Kharkov, Odessa & Mariupol had armed uprisings, do you think those people just disappeared? No, they were beaten into silence, but when It’s Russia & not Ukraine that controls the government/media/welfare etc that will change rapidly.