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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Paging fellow warfare enthusiasts: u/TheJamesRocket

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[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Like you mentioned, Russia is having difficulty with mud, but also poorly maintained vehicles. This is a problem in the US military as well, so its no surprise to see it in this war. Military vehicles are typically overcomplicated monstrasities that need expert maintenance, but the motor pool is often staffed with random, mechanically untrained soldiers that get sent there because they have no use for their actual MOS. A lot of these losses are mechanical breakdowns of soviet junk that had been collecting dust.

The timing of the invasion suggests Russian generals and Putin were expecting this to turn into a longer war. Most of the western media claims about Russian failures seem to be poorly supported. They simply play the same clips over and over to shine the spotlight on any Ukrainian victories while simultaneously concealing Ukrainian failures. If Heinz Guderian was still alive he would be wishing he could plan an invasion as successful as this one.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If Heinz Guderian was still alive he would be wishing he could plan an invasion as successful as this one.

I taught the Russians well- he would smile to himself.

[–]Nombre27 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

One of the far too often repeated items that I hear is that somehow it's taking too long, and I'm not sure what that's based on. No one ever follows up with any evidence supporting that claim or a deadline that was given by Russian command.

Seems like Western MSM is grasping at straws and manufacturing nonsense wins that people uncritically accept.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Western media set expectation that Russia would Stormin' Norman Ukraine, which isnt realistic. The Russians arent fighting camel jockeys.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think this is just a participation trophy that Western MSM is convincing people of. There's literally no basis for that claim, but likely millions of people think it is so.

Barring some miracle, Russian victory isn't a matter of 'if' but 'when'.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Ukrainians make incredibly outlandish claims about Russian losses that are impossible to believe. However, this guy Oryx seems to have a good catalog of Russian equipment losses in Ukraine. This guy is very anti-Russian but does a decent job in cataloging equipment losses for Russia.

If he is professionally honest AND meticulous in his accounting. Lets see what he has to report.

Tanks- 192(65 destroyed). The bulk seems to be Soviet-era tanks. Not one T-90M lost. I think this can be attributed to its small numbers and perhaps its active protection system.

AFVs- 113. The overwhelming majority seem to be obsolete MT-LBs from the 60s.

IFVs- 166. Disproportionate losses of Airborne corps BMDs. Their light armor didn't do them much favor.

APCs- 63. Mostly Soviet-era BTRs.

These numbers sound plausible enough. The Russians are proficient at using combined arms to overcome the enemy with minimal losses to themselves. They are a 1st rate army fighting against a 2nd rate Ukrainian army. And remember, some tanks that are 'knocked out' can still be repaired and put into service.

Towed artillery- 26. The Russians use very little towed artillery. Probably mostly used by the rear-echelon national guard and other Donbas militia units.

SPGs- 28. Surprisingly low number as the Russians are an artillery army first and foremost and SPGs form the backbone of the artillery.

MLRS- 19. Again, very low numbers considering how heavily the Russians use it. I guess the Bayraktar drones weren't that useful and American supplied artillery radars didn't make much of a difference.

The small number of artillery pieces destroyed is not that surprising. Howitzers, SPGs, and MLRS are positioned many miles behind the front line, after all; Their main vulnerability is to counter-battery fire, and the Ukrainians don't have much artillery to shoot back with.

SAM systems- 29. Low number considering that the Russians are very anal on organic SAMs for their brigades. Not as many were destroyed as well. A lot of the equipment was abandoned due to a lack of fuel stemming from the rapid advance in the early days.

Presumably, these were shorter ranged missile systems like the Tunguska, Pantsir, or maybe Buk. Its unlikely that any longer ranged missiles like the S400 were destroyed. But it is interesting to speculate how the Ukrainians knocked these systems out: Were they using anti-radiation missiles like the HARM? And if so, why weren't the Russians able to counter them?

Fixed-wing aircraft- 12 of which one crashed and another was destroyed on the ground by a Tochka-U missile. Not as bad considering that Ukraine started the war with over 300 SAM systems and receive AWACS and ELINT data from US and NATO aircraft nearby.

This IS surprising. Given the number of air defense systems used by the Ukraine, and the high sortie rates of the Russians, you would have expected them to take higher losses than this. The Russians must have conducted a very thorough suppression of air defenses.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most Rus SAMs lost were short-ranged ones. They were mostly lost to ambushes or abandoned due to running out of fuel. I think one Buk was destroyed by a Byraktar. Not really a failure of the SAMs but poor logistical planning by the Russian army. I don't think any SAM was lost to Ukrainian air action.

Ukrainian air force has not made much of a contribution other than getting shot down by Russian SAMs and fighters. I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian Su-35 pilot racked 3 or 4 air kills.

The S-400 made a record on the second day of the war. It shot down two Ukrainian Su-27s over Kiev from across the Belarussian border...over a distance of 150 km! No wonder NATO is against any country buying the S-400.

The Russians didn't use the S-400 after that all, and they haven't used most of their jamming capabilities and none of their hypersonic missiles. My guess is that the Russians don't want to give off intel on these high value weapons to western observers.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The war has demonstrated the acute need for mass and numbers in order to hold rear areas and man long front lines. The belief that you don't need hundreds of thousands of troops and high-tech micro armies are enough have been proven to be BS.

Doesn't this make Africa a massive military threat in the future?

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, if anything it makes African states a threat to each other and perhaps to Middle Eastern states.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope you're right. I see their exploding populations as a threat.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So overall, this is what you'd expect to see after two weeks of moderate intensity fighting. The Russians have taken fewer losses than the Ukrainians because they are more competent, and they have the strategic initiative. As you said, most of the Russian losses have taken place in the north because they are reservists with less training and obsolescent equipment, and they are also facing the bulk of the Ukrainian army.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It seems that the basics of war haven't really changed much since WW2. Mass, the concentration of force, armored thrusts, flanking, encirclement, artillery barrages...If Guderian was teleported to the current day and told of the war, he would understand most of it.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Thanks for this, very interesting.

Seems like the equipment losses for Russia has been primarily older pieces. Smart move to use them, even if some might have been sacrificed through incompetence. Gives them a reason to replace them with modern equipment.

I was looking at a few maps and came across this one from March 8. If true, it looks like this force is about to be surrounded and forced to surrender or be destroyed in a matter of time.

https://twitter.com/CivCat/status/1501338271191818245

Wiki says Ukraine has about 200-250k military personnel. I find this somewhat questionable when comparing them to Canada, a country of similar size which has less than half that number of active personnel and about 4-5x the budget. The fanboying over Ukraine really shows how much control the MSM has over the masses. I think this conflict can be compared to the US invading Canada. Yeah there might be some good skirmishes but I don't think the outcome would be in question like all the nonsense I've been seeing from brainwashed NPCs about Ukraine having a chance at victory. Most people when challenged on the difference in scale of the militaries involved seem to think that tanks getting stuck in the mud will result in Russia surrendering, when if it was significant at all simply delayed the inevitable. These initial hiccups may just make the Russians less merciful moving forward than they've currently been.

If we're comparing invasions and the propaganda about this invasion somehow taking too long to end (based on what?), I think having this information as a reference is useful for comparison. A country arguably much weaker militarily than the Ukraine and much smaller in area took 42 days to overwhelm by a military that is supposedly much more capable than the Russian military. We're approaching the halfway point of the reference and I'll be surprised if Kyiv isn't under Russian control in 2 to 3 weeks time. The other wrongful assumption people make is that Russia wants the entire country when it's quite clear that they want a neutral buffer zone. I'm not sure what size area that might be but they're about halfway up the Ukraine-Belarussian border and have similarly gone the same distance on the southern seaside, so this may serve as a reference for how deep into Ukraine that Russia plans on keeping.

https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1502409780803272704

Russia now completing day 17 of its Ukraine war. We do not know if the Russian war plan is on/off track.

I remind (again) the Coalition took 42 days in 2003 to overwhelm a very debilitated & entirely friendless Saddam’s Iraq ... Iraq then half the population & 2/3 size of UKR

Other maps, updated to yesterday and today

https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1502520445459140613

https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1502656507967864832

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/russia-ukraine-crisis-in-maps-and-charts-live-news-interactive

https://twitter.com/EdmapsCom/status/1502665107331026949

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah. Ukraine is an enormous country, almost 600,000 sq km and it has the strongest army in Europe after Russia. Ukraine has more MBTs than France, Germany, and Britain combined. Vastly more artillery pieces and even more APCs and IFVs than all three combined. The Ukrainian army is 200,000 strong, greater than the German(64,000) and British(84,000) armies combined. And it's been trained and armed by the west. Plus it receives intel from US AWACS, ELINT, SIGINT, and satellite sources.

And above all, Ukrainians are white slavs with an average IQ of 98. Iraqis were inbred arabs with 83 IQ.

Ukraine is a vastly stronger opponent. France, Germany, and Britain combined wouldn't be able to conquer it. They would simply run out of missiles within a week.

The US took 42 days to defeat Iraq which had no help from anyone and was crippled by 12 years of sanctions. And the US didn't worry about civilian casualties like Russia. It had no issue bombing Iraq to the stone age.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ukraine has more MBTs than France, Germany, and Britain combined.

One leopard 2 is worth a dozen T72 or T64. Ukrainian army also suffers from almost non-existant Ukrainian air force or navy.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not really. An ATGM will destroy a Leopard 2 as easily as T-64. You need mass as well. As we can see, attrition wears down armies pretty fast. The German and British armies only have around 230 tanks each and even those aren't well maintained. They're just not serious about the military.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Germany is ordering Trophy APS from Israel to install on leopard 2 for ATGM defense, but yes, 230 tanks is weak. For Britain that kinda makes sense. Germany is poorly defended by itself. However, Germany is a vassal state to the American-Israeli gay empire, so they dont really need a large military. I'm not sure what purpose the current German Army would serve outside being QRF.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where do you learn about all the military equipment, strategy etc shit?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nowhere specific. I'm an info addict and a war nerd. I watched a lot of war documentaries, hung out on a lot of quora spaces, played some realistic wargames like Command: Modern Operations, read some military blogs like Michael Kofman's Russian military analysis, and even read several papers published by spook think tanks like RAND corporation. For example: I read about the Russian western military district from a RAND Corporation paper in one sitting.

You pick up these things here and there if you're interested in it.

[–]sproketboy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

" haven't posted in a while. I've been really busy off late and without stable internet."

Where have you been, you're favorite place North Korea?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In Lukashenko's Belarusian bunker.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You may have already watched this, but this guy has some decent analysis on the current status of the Russian offensive. https://youtu.be/FDKH_FxFdrw

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The greatest implications for modern war is that fancy terms like 4th gen warfare and gray zone warfare have been proven to be a bunch of rubbish. The fundamentals of large-scale war have not changed much since WW2.

4th gen warfare is just a buzz word for unconventional warfare. It is no replacement for conventional warfare. The Americans found this out to their detriment in the Middle East, when they unsuccessfully used ISIS as a proxy force to try conquering Syria with. If Obama had sent the U.S. military instead, they would have won.

If the Neocons had played their cards right, they could very easily have ushered in their project for a new American century. They were the only superpower in the world, with no serious geopolitical opposition to them. Instead, they made repeated blunders and screwed it all up in just 20 years. Not only have their Middle Eastern plans failed, but now the U.S. itself is in danger of collapse. Historians in the future will regard this as a world historical error even worse than what Nazi Germany did. They literally had an unassailable position, and they still managed to fail somehow.

The war has demonstrated the acute need for mass and numbers in order to hold rear areas and man long front lines. The belief that you don't need hundreds of thousands of troops and high-tech micro armies are enough have been proven to be BS.

The entire RMA theory (revolution in military affairs) is complete bullshit. It wasn't even a real theory of warfare in its own right, it was more like a marketing strategy for bloated defense contracters to sell overpriced, overhyped weapons for use in the fake war on terror.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Neocons would've secured permanent hegemony for Israel and America in the ME if they had done one thing: Invade Iran right after it conquered Iraq. The war fever was high, the US military was very strong back then, Iran was not as prepared, Russia and China were nobodies, and America was internally united.

They blew it all on pointless nation-building exercises and tyring to make Iraq and Afghanistan into gay democracies. Meanwhile, they assumed Russia and China would over time simply become gay liberal states like themselves. I think they really believed in the end of history BS and assumed that liberalism was the final solution to the human question and everyone would naturally embrace it.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Russian losses are probably about 6000-12,000 KIA and WIA.

Isn't that a lot?

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think its around 5000-6000 kia and wia

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So more than we originally thought. Didn't you call the 4500 claim by Ukraine crazy a week ago?