Russian invasion of Ukraine: Wikipedia vs Readovka

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/The-War-in-Ukraine/091194

I think this map is way more accurate. Readovka is too optimistic and wikipedia is too pessimistic. Both are running propaganda for Russia and NATO respectively.

Regardless, the decisive engagement is near at hand. The Russians have reached the outskirts of Huilaipole in the South and Izumy in the north. I've checked and the distance between the two is only 247 km. It means that if both travel about 140-150 km, they will meet. The pincer will be closed and some 45-60,000 Ukrainian troops will be encircled. The largest encirclement since the Israeli encirclement of Egyptian troops in 1973. And these are Ukraine's finest troops.

The Russian offensive seems to be held up by Kharkov and Mariupol. Once those two falls, there's no anchor for the Ukrainian donbass army anymore. Mariupol is being assaulted right now as we speak, a quarter has fallen. Once Mariupol is captured, the Russian forces in the south will have a free hand.

The battle could've been one even earlier if the Russians fought in their usual fashion: with massive artillery and aerial bombing. But that would've caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and entire cities like Kharkov would be flattened. They've taken the more humanitarian route of encircling cities and forcing them to surrender.

The Ukrainians are the worst scum. They're literally using their civilians as human shields against the Russian onslaught. Azov has stopped evacuations twice! I doubt the old Waffen-SS despite all its brutality would've ever used German women and children has human shields.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Russians have reached the outskirts of Huilaipole in the South and Izumy in the north. I've checked and the distance between the two is only 247 km. It means that if both travel about 140-150 km, they will meet. The pincer will be closed and some 45-60,000 Ukrainian troops will be encircled.

Do you think the Russians will try it? That is a really huge pocket to isolate, given the number of troops they have. Maybe if the Ukrainians have depleted most of their munitions, then it could work.

But at any rate, there will certainly be an encirclement at Kramatorsk if the Ukies don't retreat immediately. They are caught in an exposed salient.

The Russian offensive seems to be held up by Kharkov and Mariupol. Once those two falls, there's no anchor for the Ukrainian donbass army anymore.

Yes. The Ukrainians are making their stand in and around the citys, turning them into strongpoints. They know the Russians will be at a disadvantage in urban warfare, especially as they can't use indiscriminate artillery fire in the citys (as that would lead to huge collateral damage). The Ukies seem reluctant to fight battles in open terrain.