Russian invasion of Ukraine: Wikipedia vs Readovka

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If you look online for maps showing the progress of the Russian invasion, then you will find that many of the maps do not agree with each other. The map on the Wikipedia page does not show the true extent of the Russian advance: The map on Readovka does. Check out the two and decide for yourself who is telling the truth.

It looks like nearly all of the coastline has been captured by the Russians; not only that, Kharkov has been surrounded. The Ukrainian army is seemingly being encircled in the city of Kramatorsk. This reminds one of the kesselschlachts of the Eastern front.

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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/The-War-in-Ukraine/091194

I think this map is way more accurate. Readovka is too optimistic and wikipedia is too pessimistic. Both are running propaganda for Russia and NATO respectively.

Regardless, the decisive engagement is near at hand. The Russians have reached the outskirts of Huilaipole in the South and Izumy in the north. I've checked and the distance between the two is only 247 km. It means that if both travel about 140-150 km, they will meet. The pincer will be closed and some 45-60,000 Ukrainian troops will be encircled. The largest encirclement since the Israeli encirclement of Egyptian troops in 1973. And these are Ukraine's finest troops.

The Russian offensive seems to be held up by Kharkov and Mariupol. Once those two falls, there's no anchor for the Ukrainian donbass army anymore. Mariupol is being assaulted right now as we speak, a quarter has fallen. Once Mariupol is captured, the Russian forces in the south will have a free hand.

The battle could've been one even earlier if the Russians fought in their usual fashion: with massive artillery and aerial bombing. But that would've caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and entire cities like Kharkov would be flattened. They've taken the more humanitarian route of encircling cities and forcing them to surrender.

The Ukrainians are the worst scum. They're literally using their civilians as human shields against the Russian onslaught. Azov has stopped evacuations twice! I doubt the old Waffen-SS despite all its brutality would've ever used German women and children has human shields.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Russians have reached the outskirts of Huilaipole in the South and Izumy in the north. I've checked and the distance between the two is only 247 km. It means that if both travel about 140-150 km, they will meet. The pincer will be closed and some 45-60,000 Ukrainian troops will be encircled.

Do you think the Russians will try it? That is a really huge pocket to isolate, given the number of troops they have. Maybe if the Ukrainians have depleted most of their munitions, then it could work.

But at any rate, there will certainly be an encirclement at Kramatorsk if the Ukies don't retreat immediately. They are caught in an exposed salient.

The Russian offensive seems to be held up by Kharkov and Mariupol. Once those two falls, there's no anchor for the Ukrainian donbass army anymore.

Yes. The Ukrainians are making their stand in and around the citys, turning them into strongpoints. They know the Russians will be at a disadvantage in urban warfare, especially as they can't use indiscriminate artillery fire in the citys (as that would lead to huge collateral damage). The Ukies seem reluctant to fight battles in open terrain.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the map you linked to in your post from a few days ago was wrong?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are dozens of maps from different sources and no two maps are the same.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I use these maps mostly they're credible and neutral

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-6

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

ISW is run by a neocon Jew Kimberly Kagan. The map is far too conservative. You can check out coupsure on twitter.

The Russians may break the Ukrainian line in Irpin soon and cut Kiev to the south.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah people on telegram were forwarding them so I thought it lined up enough. Visually seemed similar to pro russian maps. Figured a thinktank like that would be kiked tho

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What does the blue shaded area represent in the Readovka map?

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The blue shaded area is the Ukrainian army being encircled.

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    [–]TheJamesRocket[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Good question.

    [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I generally go by maps published daily or sometimes twice a day by Institute for Study of War.. They may be a bit more conservative. They do not seem to be partial to #standwithukraibe hysteria.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    ISW is a neocon outletvrun by Kimberly Kagan.

    [–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't dispute that. But their tweets have not been overtly propagandostic to my eye. They at least have some semblance of objectivity.

    Looking at their maps, you see that this fantastical notion that Ukraine is winning is bunk.