NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here’s How It Could Happen

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[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Generally I believe that the causes of this 'X is secretly on our side' are psychological, in particular, for the purposes of psychologically coping with what generally seems an ever-uphill battle by overestimating one's true support. Let's look at more recent examples:

Spencer: The Russo-Ukraine War will force the EU to move closer to being a based pan-European ethnostate. (EU good)

David Duke: Russia good.

Fuentes: Red China good. China needs to dominate so that they will support dissidents like himself. Their part of the internet will also be safer for us with less deplatforming than the Western-dominant internet. (This narrative is particularly laughable, and even that libertarian called 'styx' totally owned Fuentes when they talked about this, with 'styx' rightly claiming that Fuentes would already be in jail if America was actually Chinese-controlled).

Millennial Woes: There must be disgruntled parts of the elite that we could approach. (This form of cope arose around the time that people started talking about how revolutions do not succeed without a sympathetic portion of the elite. Collett ably counter-argued against this on his last Millenniyule appearance).

The Fascifist: Red China good, DPRK isn't just good, but a sort of successor to the Japanese Empire. The argument: Many of the WPK leadership were in the Japanese military or Japanese-educated, and thus the WPK version of Communism and post-Communist Juche is heavily influenced by Imperial Japan. Some of the Japanese Socialist Party were also really nationalists (this latter narrative is totally false and is based on a mistranslation from Japanese of their party platform).

A lot of the TRS people are also accused of 'Duginism', 'Eurasianism', etc. However, I've never followed that group to know what Striker and those others believe. It also relates to the 'God Emperor Trump' meme and how from 2015-17 he was seen as a sort of saviour until this narrative reversed with the rise of terms like 'Zionald', 'Zion Don', 'Zognald' and 'Trumpstein'. These terms all share in common that there was an increasing understanding of Trump's too-close-for-comfort connections with Netanyahu, Sheldon Adelson, Kushner, possibly Epstein, and various other Jews.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're right about the psychological part, and there definitely seems to be a pattern (or rather, a couple) where the mass movement of the dissident right will to some extent deify or rally behind a person or group, but then later as new information is revealed their popularity will either even out and they'll stay relatively popular but not to the previous extent, or even in many cases such as Spencer, Fuentes, Trump, etc. they will become hated once their utility fades and/or their grifting or controlled opposition roots come into view.