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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

As I predicted, these people would very easily be crumbled. Machiavelli, in Discourses on Livy, talks about how people are strong in a crowd, but alone they fold.

The only way you can really oppose the system is by having an actual organisation with educated members that are dedicated to a cause. These protests will always fail, and anyone talking about how dissidents need to be 'decentralised' and 'leaderless' are proven wrong time and time again by these events.

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Machiavelli, in Discourses on Livy, talks about how people are strong in a crowd, but alone they fold.

Even crowds don't count for all that much. In Junger's text 'On Pain', there is this anecdote from the time of the Kapp Putsch, or some sort of putsch at any rate, in which a crowd of five thousand is instantly scattered by a single warning shot.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not surprising at all lol

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If a bunch of truckers could do this much damage then imagine what 1000 genuine and loyal people willing to lay down their lives would be able to accomplish.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Speaking of, are there any serious nationalist orgs in Canada?

In the UK Patriotic Alternative show up to every protest to hand out leaflets, doing something like that to truckers specifically would have been good. Even if it's just 5-10 guys out of the hundreds that join the struggle.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well I imagine the more events like this there are the more of a catalyst it is to form more earnest organizations. If you look at any historical nationalist insurgencies they always started with failed protests and martyrs.

Not sure of the impact of any of these orgs but found these ones on a cursory search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Party_of_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Nationalist_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Citizens_Alliance

Quebecois specific groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Meute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atalante_(far-right_group)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Alliance

If anyone with better knowledge has info to add or remove organizations lmk

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It is looking like your were correct. The convoy is not totally broken up yet though. Also I don't think anyone in our movement thinks 'leaderless' resistance is ideal. We don't oppose leaders we just lose them very quick or they end up being controlled op. We are forced into leaderless resistance. It's still resistance though and we don't really need to 'win' persay. We just need to force them into being more blatantly authoritarian. That makes the convoy a success. The convoy also brought more people to our cause. More people will gravitate as life becomes unbearable. As we hit a critical mass of people a proper organization can take shape.

[–]Bored123123 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Fidel Castro overthrew a military dictatorship in Cuba with just 1200 dedicated individuals.

[–]DisastrousDepth14Race comes first 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Fidel Castro overthrew a military dictatorship in Cuba with just 1200 dedicated individuals

And now we have his bastard running Canada.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, luckily for him he didn't have infotainment consumers who get riled up about any news headline they read on Breitbart and Infowars or some other alt-con website.

Also the reasons are very different too, one was legitimate struggle for power, and what's this convoy about anyways? Fuck knows. Everyone knows it's bullshit, and it has very weak mythos behind it, you can't play TYRANTS OPPRESS THE PEOPLE card when you're part of 15% of the population who didn't get vaxxed and block infrastructure and disturb regular people because of it lol

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Also I don't think anyone in our movement thinks 'leaderless' resistance is ideal.

They definitely do, I've seen people argue against 'movementarianism', I think this term is borrowed from James Mason or something, in favour of either small scale libertarian-style militias or unhinged fedposting stuff I won't even bother entertaining.

We don't oppose leaders we just lose them very quick or they end up being controlled op.

There's NJP and Patriot Front who are certainly genuine revolutionary nationalists.

trstlemania@protonmail.com < get vetted for TRS pool parties, and NJP stuff.

Patriot Front website < join Patriot Front.

It's still resistance though and we don't really need to 'win' persay. We just need to force them into being more blatantly authoritarian. That makes the convoy a success. The convoy also brought more people to our cause. More people will gravitate as life becomes unbearable.

Weren't you saying that governments using covid as an excuse to take away rights of people was a bad thing? People have been saying the 'losing is winning' stuff for years too, how much job insecurity, housing insecurity, mental health issues, poverty, terrorist attacks, anti-white crimes etc is going to be enough?

I don't think we should be relying on negative events to wake people up, I think instead everyone who is already woken up needs to become irl activists. We had 20,000 monthly uniques on the reddit sub; let's say only 50% of them were US and /ourguys/. That's 10,000 guys, 200 guys in every state in the US. Our sub wasn't even close to being the entire alt right too, not even a few % points. Imagine if every guy who was /ourguy/ on our sub joined Patriot Front and TRS pool parties. There would already be a serious issue for the system with this injection of 10,000 dissidents. This would be capable of recruiting and educating people way more quickly and effectively than horrible escalations of dystopia too.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The big flaw in your argument is we still have to deal with mass immigration. Trudeau has been opening the floodgates year after year, and that gives him an unlimited source of new voters, while the White population in Canada continues to shrink.

Overtime, the type of resistance you're talking about looks more and more like Brazil, where the entire country is surrounded by mud shacks but an Elite government in the Capital still controls the shots.

I've said it since the beginning, but the convoy should have stuck to protesting White replacement. Even if 2% of Canada actually drove to Ottawa and occupied the city, the message that would send would wake up people world wide. Instead, this mandate protest only lasted 3 weeks and it actually gave Trudeau more powers to send in the Army the next time anyone disagrees with him.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

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The big flaw in your argument is we still have to deal with mass immigration.

What's your point? The convoy didn't stop mass immigration so it's a failure? That really wasn't the goal.

Trudeau has been opening the floodgates year after year, and that gives him an unlimited source of new voters, while the White population in Canada continues to shrink.

He was going to do that regardless of the convoy; all western leaders are Davos group lackeys and they would be fired if they didn't keep pushing immigration. At this point stopping mass immigration does nothing. In fact it might appease conservatives and dissidents into inaction. There's enough non whites in the west and enough race mixing propaganda that we still be still be genocided. Slowing down our destruction just makes it easier for elites to hide the changes from the populace. Gradualism is equally as dangerous as a direct attack. You could even argue it's more dangerous because of how news and information have been captured.

Radicalcentrist, I feel like you're back to doing what you normally do. Direct the 'dissidents' away from the vaccine issues and back to other issues. Their are multiple attacks on whites. Forcing a mandatory or coerced medical treatment on the white populace is an attack. Forcing whites into a control grid where you essentially need papers to travel everywhere and your movement patterns can be studied and gamed is an attack on whites (in fact it's a prerequistite for an actual shootin war on the minority of whites that have inclinations towards living in a free society). You don't even have to get into all the evidence that the vax is deadly which we've already proven to you over countless exchanges. If the elites were smart they would have created a series of safe and functional vaccines because an even higher percentage of whites would have volunteered themselves into the control grid. The pandemic and vaccine was about the control grid. Problem reaction solution.

When your trusted elites that run every major institution hate your race and want you genocided any type of financial or medical mandate is bad because it makes it almost impossible to resist. If you become a problem for them you're now not just off twitter you're off the grid entirely. No power, no water, no banking, no career, no under the table cash job, no way to communicate, and if your immune system has been replaced with a subscription service you're cut off from that as well. Once the full control grid is up and running any dissident is handed a death sentence without trial. This has always been their goal. Study how much control the pharisees had over their people.

Overtime, the type of resistance you're talking about looks more and more like Brazil, where the entire country is surrounded by mud shacks but an Elite government in the Capital still controls the shots.

Would never happen with whites. Whites don't live in mud shacks and whites hate obvious extreme inequity. That's why is was so easy to trick whites with communism. Brown countries on the other hand have millions of people that would rather live as slaves then die as freedom fighters. Whites are being bred into a slave caste, that's for certain. However, they're are enough of us that will attempt to break away when the conditions are favorable. That's why I support parallel movements like the Trucker convoy. They speed up the normie awakening. The minute the average citizen sees the state as hostile and unstable is the moment dissidents have a chance to either shut down the system through non compliance, overthrow it through political means or peacefully divorce. In fact, 10k to 50k dedicated dissident white peaceful protestors* coordinated in the right way could shut the Us and Canada down right now.

I've said it since the beginning, but the convoy should have stuck to protesting White replacement.

Why? They're not white nationalists. They're just right wingers that want to work and travel without being forced into a medical procedure. Trudeau might just have create some new white nationalists though and that's why dissidents should have more fervently supported this convoy. I know populist movements don't have the best track record but I don't see dissidents getting out in the street anytime soon either. We might as well use other groups the same why our enemy uses groups. We can't defeat Jewish golem sitting at home in our jammies pounding out screeds to post in smaller and smaller sections of the internet.**

Trudeau more powers to send in the Army the next time anyone disagrees with him.

Like I said. That's a good thing.

And one more big reason to support this convoy even though it's not the perfect dissident movement? It's obviously bothering Jews. In fact they've cooked up a war with Russia to distract and prevent more populist uprisings.

*and I do really mean peaceful. I'm not using a euphemism for violence. The state would be force to kill or mass arrest the disciplined non violent white protestors and the alt news network would cover it and cause a mass civil disobedience movement across the entire US and Canada.

**And yes I know this smacks of hypocrisy, but I've spent the last 2 years building up a rural community of IRL dissidents so at any-point I'm prepared for getting cut off from the internet entirely. 2 years ago I couldn't have said that. My only dissident interaction was online. I beg of any white nationalist reading this to get out of the city and build your tribe, build the toughness of your mind and build you traps, glutes, hammys and lats. You're going to need them all very soon.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's your point? The convoy didn't stop mass immigration so it's a failure? That really wasn't the goal.

They literally had no leverage over the Prime Minister. He didn't even meet with them once and all the leaders are now arrested and being held on bail.

I never heard of a movement that goes to a Capital, has zero demands met, and now the government has more power than ever.

He was going to do that regardless of the convoy;

Well no. He was at least flip flopping between having to close airports to reduce a spread of a virus, or open the borders and flood the country with more temporary workers and permanent immigrants. But because the media saw the Convoy as being a "white supremacist threat", Trudeau is now back to talking about race, which naturally leads to government wanting more third worlders to support him on it.

Conservatives at least had a window of opening to challenge him on that, now it's completely dead in the water since anyone who is shown to support the protestors is being hit by the "Nazi" label.

Radicalcentrist, I feel like you're back to doing what you normally do. Direct the 'dissidents' away from the vaccine issues and back to other issues. Their are multiple attacks on whites. Forcing a mandatory or coerced medical treatment on the white populace is an attack. Forcing whites into a control grid where you essentially need papers to travel everywhere and your movement patterns can be studied and gamed is an attack on whites (in fact it's a prerequistite for an actual shootin war on the minority of whites that have inclinations towards living in a free society). You don't even have to get into all the evidence that the vax is deadly which we've already proven to you over countless exchanges. If the elites were smart they would have created a series of safe and functional vaccines because an even higher percentage of whites would have volunteered themselves into the control grid. The pandemic and vaccine was about the control grid. Problem reaction solution.

Stop saying "they're forcing it on Whites". Did Trudeau personally go door to door and inject everyone with it?

The jobs made it a requirement, the same way wearing work boots or eye goggles is mandatory. They didn't want to do it? Then they were terminated.

Would never happen with whites. Whites don't live in mud shacks and whites hate obvious extreme inequity. That's why is was so easy to trick whites with communism. Brown countries on the other hand have millions of people that would rather live as slaves then die as freedom fighters. Whites are being bred into a slave caste, that's for certain. However, they're are enough of us that will attempt to break away when the conditions are favorable. That's why I support parallel movements like the Trucker convoy. They speed up the normie awakening. The minute the average citizen sees the state as hostile and unstable is the moment dissidents have a chance to either shut down the system through non compliance, overthrow it through political means or peacefully divorce. In fact, 10k to 50k dedicated dissident white peaceful protestors* coordinated in the right way could shut the Us and Canada down right now.

You do know Brazil has a tiny White minority, and that the "pure" or 100% ethnic ones are slowly being mixed away with the other Brown people, correct? Or why hasn't Brazil had a major White nationalist uprising since perhaps when the nation was first founded?

By all means, there is no realistic solution left for that country, and even if they did try, it still doesn't change that they are completely surrounded.

In fact, 10k to 50k dedicated dissident white peaceful protestors* coordinated in the right way could shut the Us and Canada down right now.

There's no way the government is going to let this happen again. They've now made it clear that blocking international bridges is a felony, and with the Emergency Powers still in effect, they will send in the same paramilitary again to force them out, while also damaging them financially if they find the money that is paying for this.

Why? They're not white nationalists. They're just right wingers that want to work and travel without being forced into a medical procedure.

The majority of Canadians are not opposed to mandates. And after the protest failure, they can't change the Prime Minister's mind since he now has all the powers to deal with them. Another attempt at blocking/occupying a city will get their vehicles impounded, monetary assets seized and people arrested.

Like I said. That's a good thing.

Accelerationism has never been proven to work, when our system still relies on politicians being voted in. And once again, Trudeau now going on the offensive and pumping up immigration numbers means his grasp on power is near infinite. That's what you need to protest to actually make a difference, otherwise, you just end up going nowhere but jail.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'll be honest and say the protests are going longer and gained more traction than I speculated they would in the beginning so props to them for that. But ultimately they still face the problem of lack of leadership and clear goals that having a proper movement/political group would entail

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it's nice to people willing to take action that goes against the interests of ZOG regardless. It's a good sign that there is potential to mobilise people.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    On one hand, I'm surprised it even went this far. I didn't expect Canada of being capable of creating even a small movement in the same vein as the Brexiteers or gilets jaunes. Only Left-wing activist movements like BLM. They seem thoroughly 'cucked', 'pozzed', 'wokeist' and atomized to the core.

    Quebecois nationalists almost created their own state in the 1995