Nick Fuentes: bad or good?

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What do you guys think of Nick Fuentes? I like him, he's not perfect, but as far as I can tell most of the hate directed towards him are one of 2 things:

  1. You don't personally like him. Because he's part Mexican, short, nasally voice, gay (possibly).

  2. You don't like the fact that he associates with Jews.

I sort of agree with the second point, but I think the positives far outweigh the negatives.

He's the biggest name among the dissident right, thousands of live viewers every night, has congressmen on his side, and is about to host the largest event in "our movement" since Charlottesville (AFPAC 3).

Nick calls out Israel and the Jews. He has talked extensively about the Dancing Israelis, USS Liberty Incident, Jewish control of the media etc. etc.

He doesn't shy away from talking about race either. He's openly against race mixing, gay marriage. Has promoted segregation (or at least spoken positively about it). He gets it, and his movement is growing day by day.

But I'm open to having my mind changed, maybe there is something about him I don't know that should make me not support him?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

He's the biggest name among the dissident right, thousands of live viewers every night, has congressmen on his side

These 2 things don't compute. He has the system on his side, ergo he's a part of the system not a dissident.

I think he just copies takes/rhetoric from based people, waters it down, packages it with Sam Hyde's humour then uses it to direct support into the GOP. He's a gatekeeper that exists to make zoomers into extremely hostile/catty retards that attack everyone who opposes the system.

He is essentially an antifa radicaliser when you understand the role he fills, he is just the leader of what we could called right wing zoomer antifa.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As for whether he's a redpilling force/gateway to dissidents I don't think so.

The nature of the myths he's set up about infiltration of the GOP, optics etc while being extremely hostile to every dissident makes for the best gatekeeping.

I don't think there's much overlap of dissidents and his audience and there's not really much potential for bringing them to us either due to the nature of them being hostile to real dissidents. I think only those who watch a bit of his stuff casually with a broader diet of nationalist content will come to our camp, and those people will invariably stop listening to him. Those who mainly watch him or only learned our talking points through him will just stick with him and be part of the ironybro/groyper/incel community until they get bored. I find it unlikely anyone is going to listen to him and then seek revolutionaries to organise with like Patriot Front or the NJP.

I used to watch his streams every now and then like 5 years ago because I like MDE/Sam Hyde so I found him funny but it's impossible to watch his stuff as well as other dissidents because how much he talks shit about everyone. If you don't have a feminine disposition all the drama/gossipy stuff is really annoying.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He caters to a very specific audience - zoomer incels and mixed race/ Hispanics who like right wing politics but are unwilling to support white nationalism so they hide behind trad cath larp and a vague amorphous "America First"

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think he is incredibly lame, a negative influence, and the groyper culture is degenerate. The fact that he was a massive Trump cuck until the end(I think he still may be) is another negative.

Bronze Age Pervert is another popular figure who was a Trump cuck but at least he is very well read and amongst the memes and jokes he has a lot of interesting things to say unlike Nick who is just like an edgier Fox News commentator for Zoomers.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

a) He's a faggot dramafag, it's not that we dislike him as a person, it's because he dislikes us. Eric Striker is also part Mexican, short and has nasally voice yet he's GOAT (jk about the Mexican part lol)

b) He's huge opticscuck despite being bad optics himself (not saying his view of "bad optics" is correct, just that he's a weasel), which brings me to the point c)...

c) He has denied the holocaust, but when he came under pressure for it he cracked like an egg, pulling irony card and distancing himself from "wignats" (see point b))

d) At which point does his rhetoric stop being ironic, if Holocaust denial was an irony, if powerful Jews running everything was an irony, if racism was an irony, if talking about white displacement was an irony, etc.? Is his stance on immigration also ironic, is his stance on America First also ironic? Fuck knows.

e) He doesn't even pretend he wants something revolutionary, he just wants to be in charge at any price, which was visible in his documentary where he obsessively refreshes tweet to see how many likes he's got, and we've witnessed him stepping over multiple principles he has set in exchange for fame and money.

f) Like Markimus has said, he's a gatekeeper for something greater, which brings me to my final point...

g) Lastly, but most importantly, never fall for "based GOP" retards, they solely exist to con you, just like traditional GOP exists to con evangelicals and normiecons. Every "alt-conservative" I've seen is a lying grifting scumbag.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly at this point optics should be decided more by build and physiognomy than anything else. The right person can market any viewpoint he wants. Nick isn't that bad in his face, the people he surrounds himself with tho...

[–]Chipit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I've barely heard of this guy, but I knew before I clicked that every comment would be negative. And here they all are.

You peoples' problem is that nobody is pure enough for you. Politics is the art of getting the important stuff.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Openly states he doesn't know anything about the topic

Declares some nonsense about how we're wrong

Ever heard of dunning kruger?

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sure. Dunning-Krueger is about people who are unaware that they are incompetent. The example you cite, the man is aware that he doesn't know. This not only doesn't fit D-K, but D-K is about competence, not knowledge.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So you're even worse then, you know you're talking bollocks and still choose to.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Please cite the Dunning-Krueger effect correctly in the future.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I will when you inform yourself on any topic before speaking on it😎👍

[–]DisgustResponse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This forum is a hollow shell full of irrelevant weirdos who are in love with losing. It's why I rarely even check here anymore.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most of the hate towards Fuentes I've noticed comes from his eceleb status, fruity outing with catboy kamy/milo, his tendency to punch right (Patrick Little) and his groyper squad and their trad cath roots.

I still lean in support of him because I like that he fires up young people. I also like that he has managed to ride the edge between Trumpism and the alt right and not come off like a gatekeeper (see: the 'alt lite' grifter squad). The fact that he actually does shit (speeches, conferences) is a positive. His old videos where he talked to large panels of young people with questions for hours was redpilling for a lot of people. He's obviously not fed controlled or they wouldn't have cracked down on his banking and ability to fly. It's absolutely critical to get our message out as frequently as possible so trying to tear down a kid that spreads most of our message is counter productive.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He fires up chubby band nerds and black weebs

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Can't comment, I don't watch gay porn, so no idea on his performance

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone who use to watch his streams I'd say not based. Props for pushing the JQ out there but his idea of "we can take over the republican party" is dumb and frankly I don't know how anyone can be an American Nationalist in our sphere when American means anything now

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Nick is the kind of guy who should be leading third world countries. Like imagine all of Latin America under the control of a Nationalist Castizo? It would do the world a lot of good.

In terms of the United States of America, only a White man should be allowed to lead other Whites.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Latinos would just laugh at him for being a manlet incel.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All latinos are manlet incels. He would fit right in.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He is an enemy of our race, an incel, a neocon and a fed.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My problem with him is that he's inconsistent, cringe, and all his followers are ugly betas. Yes he's had a handful of based takes years ago but since the press coverage of the groper movement it's completely stopped. I honestly can't believe he still gets thousands of viewers, did people really not fall off after the jewtube ban? Is he getting promos on TikTok or something who tf still unironically shills his fruity ass?