Whats the best way to handle childhood education on a national level? Public/private school? Better homeschooling resources?

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[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In an ideal society, education would be entirely state controlled and comprehensive, with an emphasis on good citizenship, national pride/history, and basic/mid-level skills. Those who need college and are fit for it would be allowed to go into college to study the necessary advanced skills and knowledge they require for their field, as well as perhaps a few side courses that they are interested in.

In the current society, as nasty states, there are few/no good options and any overhaul would have to be a complete, ground-up one.

[–]MosheCircumshteynRabbi Moshe Schlomo Circumshteyn of Tel Avi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is pretty much some of what I'd write, but I'll elaborate on what else I'd add to it.

Education as it is needs rebuilding from the ground up. Essentially, we'd have to review entire fields (especially in the humanities and social sciences) and decide just what exactly is permissible in each field, carefully removing everything that comes from feminists, 'progressives', J's, etc. The theories, concepts, models, paradigms, etc. that do not pass review would simply be removed from the curriculum. Before long we'd have our own textbooks to ensure that nobody needs to be exposed to nonsense such as Marxism or its bastard descendants like Foucauldianism and 'Critical Theory' in order to graduate.

This task of reconstruction may not be that difficult: firstly, a few fields like Gender Studies cannot be repurposed to serve the new society since they are intrinsically pillars of the current one, and make very little sense outside of that context. It can simply be removed from our ontology. It is a mere matter of winding the clock back on other fields like sociology (practically everything after the 1990s can be counted on to be total nonsense, most of what came after the 1950s can also be counted on to be total nonsense). Social sciences do not progress in the way that the natural sciences do because of their less objective nature: there is no obvious reason that newer should necessarily be better.

Moral education as advocated by many of the early sociologists would also have to be implemented on all levels. Admission to environments that have been problematic in the current society, especially universities, would require moral entrance examinations to weed out the more problematic subversive types who came to dominate the current education systems, and from there, effectively entire societies.

There should also be a large-scale detechnologization to accompany remoralization, e.g. far more emphasis on writing than typing on computers with spellcheckers. Being able to use a search engine to find a piece of information on the spot isn't conducive to actual learning, encouraging intellectual laziness; being able to find 'friends' on social media isn't conducive to forming actual friendships; and so forth.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

Just do as the Japanese do.

Place enormous pressure on them to succeed in learning especially valuable field skills and knowledge that will presumably raise their social status, and shame them and their families when they fail.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

East Asians are the ultimate example of capitalist death spiral in wealthy society. People in a suicidal rat race to the top while their race and nation die out. Japan is already fucked. Korea will soon follow. China is now trying to change course but doubt it'll work.

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    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Japan is buck broken by the Americans in terms of economic control and the military, Korea is buck broken by Christianity and feminism. Both equally buck broken by capitalism. Not sure which is worse but I'd probably rather live in Japan.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah, let's all become wagecucks for corporations and have sky high suicide rates and even lower birth rates.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

    We are at a point that the problems with education are intricately tied up with the problems in society. There's really no fixing education without addressing a dozen other issues.

    There's also no 'fix' besides a total demolition. Charters, more private schools, making it easier for parents to homeschool, those are helpful but only a bandaid. When kids get put into alternatives to public school the curriculum is often still quite bad (especially history). The teachers are often still quite bad. The only people that are really doing it right are white families that have systematically moved themselves to more isolated all white communities (rural, strong religious influence, lots of land, generations of quality white people that surround kids with very strong pressure to avoid college and stay in the farming community and essentially self educate). There's a TLC show called Meet the Plaths that is a good example of a family doing it correctly (they encourage the daughters not to go to college and the boys are already into lucrative farming/ranching operations of their own by age 20; so they naturally avoid the brainwashing of college). My guess is that families like the Plaths are only 10-20% of the North american white community though (which is very sad to me; the way to fix IMHO is to go back to more sustenance farming/homesteading type communities; i.e. a Jeffersonian society, i.e. 60-70 of the country like the Plath's.).

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    I am always stumped when I see people advocate for subsistence farming. It is like a completely depoliticised version of the anarcho-primitivist platform. Very strange.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    I don't mean mud roof subsistence farming. I mean growing and raising your food and not needing to wage slave. Subsistence farming in 2022 can take on quite a few forms. A big reason whites have been subverted into perverse political and cultural ideologies is because if they don't comply they literally starve and get the power and water shut off. When you have a productive homestead and can literally step away from society for a length of time then it affects your political views and changes how you negotiate with employers and governments. It also significantly impacts the political, religious and social views of women and children when they have a strong provider male figure who is not enslaved to a company or a government.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    To me, this really just sounds like a particularly strange form of pursuing wealth. Any form of wealth would be able to provide this same type of independence. You are also exaggerating with regard to shutting off power and water. I have not heard of something like that occurring before, and moreover I imagine it would be a much bigger problem to have that happen at a farm than an appartment.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    If you're wealthy in London or NY you're a cog in a larger cycle that feeds the System, and at any point if you stray too much you can be kicked off. If you have a domain that you and people like you control, there is more freedom for you to exist as you please. Obviously if there's a military operation against your community you're fucked but isn't temporary freedom better than permanent servitude?

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    If you're wealthy in London or NY you're a cog in a larger cycle that feeds the System, and at any point if you stray too much you can be kicked off.

    I don't think that's necessarily the truth. This probably applies to the managerial class, like CEOs etc, but doesn't necessarily apply to people who own capital and property sufficient to their needs, or are self-employed skilled professionals who can make profit independent of corporations.

    As to the idea of rural living, the issue with it is that it really constitutes a type of surrender and a retreat. It's just like the issue of universities - instead of contesting these institutions or creating new ones, the proposed solution is a depoliticised withdrawal. I don't think that will change anything. Power is concentrated in the urban centres for a reason. Giving up on them completely is not a political strategy. If you take a look at South Africa, what the Boers have done with Orania is far more impressive and ambitious. The Boer farmers are suffering tremendously, yet Orania is doing well.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What's stopping you from both owning capital and property and also owning rural land that can actually sustaining you? It's not one or the other per se. You can absolutely grow wealth through the System and reinvest that into growing a community that's independent.

    Power may be concentrated in the urban centers, but it's usually toppled by the hinterlands, this has been shown time and time again. War of the Flea is an excellent book on that. Having a self sustaining parallel domain in the rural areas means that the System can't stamp you out, and over time the cities will decay while you grow. This has happened time and time again, in recent years China, Vietnam, and just recently Afghanistan have all demonstrated this.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If you've got so much wealth that you can buy farms at your leisure, then you'll probably be fine no matter what, if you ask me. But assuming that you have limited resources, trying to become a farmer is not necessarily the best investment, and it is certainly not something everyone can do.

    Power may be concentrated in the urban centers, but it's usually toppled by the hinterlands, this has been shown time and time again.

    I am actually not aware of any examples of this happening, though I am sure there may be some of them. In my opinion, the historical norm is competition between imperial cities. Warrior nomads can occasionally conquer these imperial cities, but they also immediately make them the seat of their power, so the urban-rural dynamic remains the same.

    Having a self sustaining parallel domain in the rural areas means that the System can't stamp you out, and over time the cities will decay while you grow.

    I think in America both the cities and the countryside are decaying rapidly, but the countryside is definitely still subject to the rule of the cities, even as they decay. You may have heard, for example, that the US government (and other Western governments, too) often resettle large groups of refugees or illegal immigrants in rural areas and towns. Liberal governments today have completely political authority over any part of the country. I do not think the countryside enjoys any special advantages over the urban centres.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you've got so much wealth that you can buy farms at your leisure, then you'll probably be fine no matter what, if you ask me.

    Rural land is cheap as hell in America and you can get a 0 down mortgage for a rural house if you're lower income. I don't know that I would be recommending the same thing outside of the American context tbh.

    I am actually not aware of any examples of this happening, though I am sure there may be some of them. In my opinion, the historical norm is competition between imperial cities. Warrior nomads can occasionally conquer these imperial cities, but they also immediately make them the seat of their power, so the urban-rural dynamic remains the same.

    Revolutionary movements usually swell up from the hinterlands, it's there that men can hide for a long period of time away from authorities and sustain themselves among the peasants while attacking the cities from the outside. In the modern context this would happen by attacking power, water, and road infrastructure. Destroying a few critical junctions could cripple the most important cities for months. The recent truck blockade in Canada is the baby version of these tactics.

    Historical examples could go all the way back to the Germanic tribes or the Scythians, but for the modern context the Maoists, Vietcong, and Taliban are the most relevant.

    War of the Flea is something everyone here should read.

    I do not think the countryside enjoys any special advantages over the urban centres.

    They have the advantage of space, distance, and self-sustenance. Independence from the supply chain of the enemy.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    if there's a military operation against your community you're fucked

    The US military has done countless war game simulations against an armed domestic insurrection. They always lose. The US military would be out numbered. Blocked from recruits. Blockaded from resupply. Surrounded and outgunned. Most of the strengths of the US military, such as: nuclear, air superiority, tanks, subs, navey etc. are worthless against millions of angry armed freedom fighters.

    you're fucked but isn't temporary freedom better than permanent servitude?

    We're not fucked at all but either way I agree.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I meant a raid on a single community not a nationwide insurrection. The US would have no chance if someone had even 100 dependable men and a knowledge of vital infrastructure (it's hilarious how easy shit is to find on that I'm surprised no one has tried anything).

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Many homesteading and small farm operations acquire their water through means not easily shut off by a corporate entity.

    You are also exaggerating with regard to shutting off power and water.

    Are you not following the totalitarian measures being implemented to coerce the unvaccinated? How is shutting water and power off a big stretch when we already see normie conservatives losing bank accounts for wrong think? It's also important to keep in mind that simply cutting you off socially and blocking you from gainful employment is effectively a water, power and food shut off anyway. Can't work can't pay bills.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Are you not following the totalitarian measures being implemented to coerce the unvaccinated?

    No, I am not. There are no issues with this where I live. Perhaps it is a problem elsewhere.

    we already see normie conservatives losing bank accounts for wrong think?

    Do you know of any cases like this? I know that this happened to Mark and Laura, who lead a nationalist party in Britain, but they are not normie conservatives at all.

    It's also important to keep in mind that simply cutting you off socially and blocking you from gainful employment is effectively a water, power and food shut off anyway. Can't work can't pay bills.

    Yes, that is a problem, but there are other types of work besides farming that do not depend on working at a megacorp.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do you know of any cases like this?

    These are the first four hits on a yandex search

    https://centermatter.com/wp/2021/06/16/wells-fargo-closes-lauren-witzkes-bank-account-for-political-views/

    https://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/chase-bank-closes-accounts-of-those-with-conservative-views-a-portend-of-666/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sssbqn/trudeau_vows_to_freeze_antimandate_protesters/

    https://blockonomi.com/chase-bank-accused-de-banking-accounts-political-views/

    There's also the recent gofundme confiscation of Trucker Protest monies (those were eventually refunded but only because of all the publicity). And I wasn't arguing that it's happening on a large scale just that there is precedent and it's an obvious vector of attack the the Jewish bank cartel will use against dissidents more and more.

    there are other types of work besides farming that do not depend on working at a megacorp.

    I'm not advocating we all start farming. There are lots of potential alternatives markets that dissidents could get into to decouple themselves from large corporate and government control. Food is just a critical part of that decoupling and the farming community provides a unique oppurtunity for lots of other opportunities (religious worship, health/fitness, friendships, courtship, extended families, engineering, building, connection with nature. etc.)

    Nick Fuentes and Laura Loomer also had trouble with account shenanigans.

    [–]la_cues[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://smallfarmfuture.org.uk/

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    10-20% is wayyyy optimistic it's 1% at most. Though perhaps in a century if these families reproduce at a high rate that could change.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    If you just take the Hitites, Mennonites, Amish and right wing rural mormons that's at least 1-3 percent of the white community in the united states. I've lived in several areas of the county with lots of people like the Plaths. 10-20% is a conservative estimate (remember I specified percentage of the 'white' community not total US population). I'm not sure if you live in the states or not but if you travel in the fly over states you'll find good people. They might not all be brazen white nationalist but many of them are implicitly in line with our views. Whites with alt right views were estimated to be quite large as well back in 2015.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Actually I did the math based on a couple stats and you're right about the amount of white ruralites. 14% of the American population is rural, 78% of the rural population is white, 56% of the American population is white. So it checks out. Not sure how many of those grow their own food though, couldn't find numbers on that. I haven't been to the flyover states at all so maybe you're right there.

    Whites with alt right views were estimated to be quite large as well back in 2015.

    How were they defining alt right back then? I remember the original definition was pretty mild.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    It is shocking to me that rural America is 80% white. That's a large "working class" that you simply do not hear about at all in the present "socially minded" culture. These people are only ever mentioned in order to be insulted, demeaned or demonised.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    There's a growing genre of movies basically encouraging people to go hunt these types down

    [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    That's one of the most disturbing traits of 21st century America, if you ask me.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The silver lining is once America gets that bad it will be unable to stop other nations from asserting their own will. Nationalist elements of European armies may have an opening there

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Interesting data. Thanks for researching and sharing out.

    How were they defining alt right back then?

    Not sure exactly. All I remember was some researcher that wrote an article with VOX. He estimated 11-18 million? Maybe it was even higher? Then he was forced to revise his numbers down.

    edit. found it

    https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What the system does but with our ideas.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Honestly, given the state of education today, you could probably just completely abolish school. It's completely useless. A rigorous university experience can be very useful, but school itself contributes little. You would still need to train people in STEM in some manner, but early education is hardly relevant to that goal anyway.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    • Set of videos of world class lectures in each subject for each grade, not that hard to dig up.
    • Set of software "games" to teach subjects
    • Syllabus of age appropriate literature
    • Set of standardized tests

    Could deliver entire K-12 education on modern thumb drive (or close so it).

    Socialization through regular Boy Scouts type organizations, church, sports, etc.

    It's not like there was no education and socialization before public schools.

    Modern "education" is White poison, that is it's purpose.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The people in charge of public education need to be removed and replaced

    Barring that not happening, homeschooling or some kind of cheap private schooling (a solution that does not exist rn) seems to be the only way to go

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I mean what power do you guys have to determine childhood education on a national level? Best bet is homeschooling, especially with like minded groups of people.