Destiny vs Mark Debate

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Didn't see a thread of this here's the stream: https://odysee.com/@theralphretort:1/the-free-ralph-festival-destiny-vs-mark-collett:8

Feel free to watch and discuss

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Anybody else find themselves starting to listen to Destiny and having to turn off after a few minutes then go back?

There are no words for how repulsive I find his debating tactics and point of view and I just can't do more than five minutes at a time.

[–]NeoRail 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most of those left wing YouTuber folks are so smug, obnoxious, ignorant, mean spirited and dishonest that I really can't stomach watching their content for more than a few seconds at a time. I am not exaggerating. It's the main reason why I stopped keeping track of radlib and anarchist discourse. They are just completely intolerable to listen to.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

When he is backpedaling he reverts to arguing dishonestly. The biggest thing I took from this debate is he claimed the majority of grooming gangs were white because he googled it... You're arguing with a person who takes any report in from academia/media as law

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Haven't got to that point yet. I hope Mark -- who is a really good debater and very sound -- pointed out their massive overrepresentation in child grooming and also the most important aspect of the scandal which is that mainly Pakistani gangs have been targeting White girls for racial and religious reasons. 'Easy meat' as one groomer described them.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can't watch it? I can only go 15 mins back?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You might have to wait until the entire thing is uploaded then.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why don't British men protect them? Are they too cowardly? Britain is the most leftist country on earth next to Canada. Is it that ethnic British men are too effeminate?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why don't British men protect them?

I guess you would have to ask the British. It's not exactly a problem confined to the British isles either. Seems it's widespread in Europe, America and Australia.

It should be noted as well that fathers were arrested for confronting the groomers of their daughters in Britain. The entire system is against any time of White self-assertion so let's not pretend this is just a problem of cucked or effeminate men not protecting women.

Why do the Han Chinsese leadership put Turkic Muslims in concentration camps when they committ atrocities against the Han? Because their men are more masculine than the British? No. It's simply because their system values the health of their majority ethnic group and wants to protect it.

Focusing on the individual qualities of men or women seems to be missing the point for me. We need to take over the structures of power. Then you can decide the nature of the society around you. Individual men however chad or effiminate they are can't go around changing the nature of the Nation they live in.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Focusing on the individual qualities of men or women seems to be missing the point for me.

Yes, it's racist libtardism. Same as the ethnic mysticism people like to do where they will say dumb shit like X white ethnicity is naturally individualistic, or believe in 'pathological altruism' or 'anglos are greedy', hard men create good times cycle etc. It's all just nonsense substituting politics for a weird hobbyist belief system.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

English with many pakis at my old school here. What happens is when low iq girls from shitty family situations are like 13/14 some of them will join the group of pakis because they give them alcohol, cigarettes, and other drugs. There were girls in my school that were part of the paki group, the paki males hang out all together from like all secondary school age to like mid 20s and even above.

Basically these girls come from shithole homes where they either don't know their dad or their parents are just druggies/alcoholics etc anyway that don't give a shit. They're essentially just lumpenproles being preyed on by the pakis. The only way they can get girls is by grooming young teenagers from broken homes. University girls will tell you about how south asians are all perverts too, they constantly grope women and shit. The open bobs thing applies to all Indian subcontinentals including pakis.

So yeah it has nothing to do with cowardice really, more that no one gives a shit. Why would a man go on some like vigilante justice shit to pry these girls away from paki gangs? They'd get in trouble if they did anything and 99% of the time the girls aren't in some trafficking situation it's more that they're just degenerate lumpenproles who just get to not be sober with the help of the pakis and then that's just the crowd they hang out with so to speak.

In the off chance a girl who isn't from a broken home gets actually kidnap styled by the pakis the police simply protect them from the men trying to rescue them from the situation like the famous example.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My hunch is that Britain has a greater lumpenprole issue due to heavy de-industrialization over the last 40 years.

IIRC, Britain had a large steel industry and manufacturing base as of the 70s. Thatcher outsourced most British industry and Blair fimished the job.

Afaik, Britain is one of the western countries with the lowest levels of industry, mining and farming. Its all FIRE sector and service sector.

Germany, France and Italy have maintained their industry somewhat with protectionist policies.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My hunch is that Britain has a greater lumpenprole issue due to heavy de-industrialization over the last 40 years.

Yes. The midlands and north have become a post-industrial wasteland, same as the rustbelt in America. It's where I'm from.

IIRC, Britain had a large steel industry and manufacturing base as of the 70s. Thatcher outsourced most British industry and Blair fimished the job.

Yup

Afaik, Britain is one of the western countries with the lowest levels of industry, mining and farming. Its all FIRE sector and service sector.

Yes, 80% of our economy is tertiary. Our economy is just a parasitical wealth funnel for jews and financiers in London while everywhere else is destitute.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting point, London has 12.5% of the British population and half are non white. Its also home to all the giant banks, financial firms and big retail.

What’s the British economy and life like outside of London? Is there much of a rural farming population like France or Germany?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah you're never far from the countryside here, the amount of people with their occupation being farmers is dwindling though. It's gone down by like a third in the past couple years, I think this is probably because of covid stuff. We haven't had many trafficked Bulgarian mafia victims to do £1 per day work, sad for the Big Agri kikes.

[–]SincereDiscussion 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A little late to this, but I found this rather frustrating to listen to. Part of the problem is that when you make it about intentionality (re: White genocide), Destiny's own sense of incredulity gets to be the decider. The standard of evidence that he requires is people in power saying: "yup, we are specifically trying to genocide White people; all of the social justice pretexts are just that: pretexts". Anything less and Destiny gets to act like it's a giant conspiracy to connect all the dots. It's disingenuous and frankly stupid. It is much more productive to argue that demographic replacement is happening; it's a policy choice; and we oppose it. Beyond that, the intentionality is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things anyway.

Various thoughts during the debate:

  • Destiny's first argument was complete bullshit (re: internet censorship). If someone argues that Clinton is a lizard, and is subsequently banned, this is obviously not proof that she is a lizard. But that is not the logic of what Mark was arguing at all. He was arguing that part of the intentionality of White genocide can be evidenced by how opposition is censored. In other words, "x is suppressed" is not proof that x is true, but it is proof that x is being suppressed. You can tell that Destiny was being dishonest here because he later went on to say how censorship is a result of market forces -- an argument he wouldn't have made if he didn't understand Mark's actual point.

  • Mark sort of got thunderstruck by Destiny's argument about grooming gangs. I don't blame him for this one bit, but it was unfortunate.

  • This is minor in comparison to the rest, but is relevant to the 'genocide' part. Destiny made the argument that if Whites are being genocided through miscegenation, then nonwhites are being genocided too. Mark did reply to this but not as comprehensively as I think it deserved. That conversation got sidetracked into who is White, multiracial people identifying as the nonwhite part, etc. But IMO the more significant point here is how unbelievably stupid and self-evidently absurd his implication is: that race mixing impacts both races equally. No explanation is necessary -- it's that dumb.

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    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm kind of surprised that millions of Americans don't have brain damage and serious bodily disorders from excessive medication.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They do

    [–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Destiny is a thirty something manboy that literally makes his living playing video games on camera. It's not surprising he spouts bullshit that has no basis in reality, because his vidya playing bugman existence is totally detached from reality. Sadly there are millions just like him in America. Men that never grew up.

    Most of them arent able to make a living off being a bugman spouting the latest Jew cultural talking points. Most just live with their parents and consoom the latest trash cullture while sleepwalking through life, ironically claiming to be "woke" because they've memorized all the talking points the Jew on youtube or teevee or in the latest marvel movie tells them.

    [–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    It's more just that Far-Leftism is either intrinsically or instrumentally useful to them rather than being the product of a detachment from reality.

    Vaush: Self-proclaimed communist who openly claims that CP is fine and that adult-child sexual activity can result in "positive" (his word) outcomes. He hilariously claims that this is an "empirically true fact", an obvious example of the misuse of science and of the grossness of scientism, i.e. of worshipping science to the point that you think it can even answer ethical questions and thus that science can justify pedophilia.

    Destiny: Non-binary, non-heterosexual, habitual drug user if not outright drug addict, literal cuckold.

    There are also miniature, budget, wannabee versions of these two, like Socialism Done Left and Xanderhal. But I do not know which identities they hold in order to comment on them more specifically.

    Speaking of the instrumental usefulness of Far-Leftism to these two, in a Far-Right society, both would long have been imprisoned or executed. They understand this even if only subconsciously, and thus have every reason to oppose any potential remoralization of the society around them. The easiest way to prevent remoralization is, of course, to push society as far socioculturally Leftward as possible. When subjectivism, nihilism, hedonism, etc. are socially acceptable, such people are at their safest. Their extremism is thus to me the product of their will to survive as well as a tacit admission that they understand how degenerate they are, and fear that there will one day be repercussions inflicted upon them for the vile things they have said and done. It seems to me a mere survival strategy: in a world of abnormal, immoral degenerates, abnormal becomes the new normal. They thus become regarded as the popular and "normal" ones rather than as the outcasts and pariahs they should be. They have to corrupt the world in order to further their chances of survival.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They are spiritual Jews. They thrive in the swamp of sin.

    [–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Speaking of the instrumental usefulness of Far-Leftism to these two, in a Far-Right society, both would long have been imprisoned or executed.

    Not sure I agree that literal self preservation is some kind of motivation with them. It's not like the sole choices are far left or far right, and America was never in any danger of becoming that far to the right, and to be honest their degeneracy just seems like them being opportunistic dirtbags that embrace it because it helps them fit in with the dirtbag left.

    I feel like they really are just hedonistic opportunists and know it alls like a lot of ignorant millennials that never did anything besides consoom trash bugman child culture. They are oversocialized trash who found their niche. Vaush may also be a mischling. Kochinski definitely isnt an Irish name and he looks like an orthodox rabbi.