Opinion thread: How to survive the vaccine mandates?

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[–]thoughtcriminalLibertarian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's not about the vaccine it's about the mandate. My body my choice. I am vaccinated but this is a hill I would die on. If my job forces me to prove my vax status, I will quit my job. The state should not be able to force a medical procedure. And if you lay down and let them, you will never get the right to bodily autonomy back.

Take a step back and look at the broader picture. Why is there any support for the mandate at all? Because if you don't get the vax you're killing grandma, obviously. Ignoring the fact that this is untrue (there's no significant different in spread rates among vaxxed/unvaxxed populations), that dynamic can be applied to almost everything. If we are willing to give up our freedom and bodily autonomy for safety against a virus with a 0.5% death rate among the unvaccinated, imagine what else we'll be willing to give up.

Australia has concentration camps for covid where people who have tested negative for covid are forcefully being detained against their will. Read that again. This is only year 2.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

The state should not be able to force a medical procedure.

There's a certain whacky religion out there. I believe they're the Jehovahs Witnesses? They teach their members to not get life saving blood transfusions. But they also teach their kids the same thing which got a lot of them killed.

Eventually this caught the attention of the Canadian government, who ruled against the religion and said children had to live.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-blood-transfusion-1.4299992

If you're an adult or over 18, then fine, you're mature enough to die by your own stupidity. But children 17 and under who don't know any better? Sorry, but the antivaxxers or religious cults lost this case.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

especially bad as vaccines hurt kids the most, jehovah's have the right idea.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, not a fan of parental infanticide.

It reminds me of that Libertarian joke where the parents sell their children into slavery to pay off debts. At some point, the government has to step in.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, not a fan of parental infanticide.

Now you're against masks and (not) vaccines?

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

People under 18 have a nearly 0% chance of being harmed by Covid. You do not get to override the wishes of the parents for a ~0% chance of harm. There are so many choices parents make for their kids that pose far greater risks to the child and governments rightly are not allowed to intervene.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There are so many choices parents make for their kids that pose far greater risks to the child and governments rightly are not allowed to intervene.

You made the mistake thinking I support bad parenting. I don't.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I never said you support "bad parenting" (whatever you think that is). I said the historical and current legal threshold for the amount of danger to the child that is needed before the state can intervene is far above the danger that Covid poses to children, and rightly so.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No it isn't.

I just posted the Jehovahs Witnesses had their right to refusing blood transfusions for a child rejected. Similarly, immunization records for public schools are already a thing as well.

I never said you support "bad parenting" (whatever you think that is).

As someone who believes in a cohesive and homogenous society, I would never support people who deny diseases exist or get stupid ideas that their religion is worth more than a child's life. It stands to reason why East Asian countries always had a much better control over the pandemic. They don't do blatantly moronic things like letting their sick children attend school with the purpose of infecting others and shutting down the whole class.

And yes, that is a real story that was published this week.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/us/student-quarantine-covid-school-trnd/index.html

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

they have been requiring vaccines for kids in schools for a while but we have needed to stop that for a while, it has caused a lot of autism

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn't really make sense, since vaccines are readily available and people can receive more than 1 in their entire life.

The entire world should have been autistic by now if that was the case.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

When a child needs a blood transfusion and the parents are refusing, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~100%. If a parent refuses to give their child the Covid injection, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~0%.

God you're a fucking moron.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If a parent refuses to give their child the Covid injection, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~0%.

No you idiot, they still carry the disease with them and get others infected. And just because someone can survive Covid, doesn't mean their body hasn't been seriously damaged in the process. Everything from declining mental health, to Covid patients depriving access to fresh lung transplants for other needy patients is a threat.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that all may be true but the vaccine is too dangerous so shoudn't be used especially on younger people and children

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't think of any plausible reason why the government would spend trillions of dollars just to hurt themselves.

A bullet is much cheaper.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well the problem arises when things must not be up to individual's choice and something just has to be done, how else would you bost vaccination rate if not through mandate?

People have intrinsic fear of needles because of all the holocaust movies they watched, nobody would get the vaccine on their free will.

You're right though, this is crisis of liberalism, there is contradiction between "dude just leave everyone be" and vaccine mandates (or even just being politically incorrect, but to solve that issue you don't need majority).