Opinion thread: How to survive the vaccine mandates?

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Governments across the Western world are forging ahead with their plans for vaccine mandates, which limit the freedom of the unvaccinated to use public services. They want to put as much pressure on the unvaccinated as they can, and try to exclude them from normal society. Increasingly, we are even seeing no jab = no job rules being enforced, where a persons employment is dependent on their vaccination status. We can only expect these efforts to intensify in the months to come.

What can vaccine skeptics do to avoid being excessively harmed by these restrictions and coercions?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What can vaccine skeptics do to avoid being excessively harmed by these restrictions and coercions?

Step one. Decide if this is your 'hill' that you are willing to die on. Once you do that figuring out how to 'survive' is easy. I'm not half and half on the covid jabs. I'm 100% committed to not taking them. Whether that's an objector form I need to fill out or a job change or getting friends to buy me groceries or living in the woods. I'm ready. I'm not taking it. If even a marginal amount of people decide to do that we are going to have success disrupting their plans.

One thing you'll notice with their execution is that they say they are going to do something and then it doesn't really happen. Much of their power is an illusion. You can still fly in the US. You can still go to concerts. You can still travel between states. Grocery stores in my state don't even require masks. I think they are just bluffing to bump the numbers up. It goes in a pattern Even if they aren't bluffing it doesn't matter to me because I've already made my mind up.

I've noticed that once I made my mind up I made a lot of small changes in the my life to get ready. The same thing happened when I got on board with the core arguments in the dissident scene. It's not just about coming to conclusions about the state of the world we are living in but trusting those conclusions.

What can vaccine skeptics do to avoid being excessively harmed by these restrictions and coercions?

I don't think we can avoid harm. They are going to harm us. It's about not dying, it's about not be transhumanized, it's about not giving up rights and freedoms. Once you've give up on the freedom to not be injected by the state on a regular basis all your other freedoms are pretty much worthless. It boggles my mind that million of whites can not comprehend this. I think that as whites we have just been too comfortable for too long. We can't possibly imagine that another group would want to genocide us and we can't entertain the fact that another group might be in a position to do so and for leftists they can't bring themselves to accept that their mortal enemy (crotchety old white men in rural places) might have been right all along. If you can get a leftist, moderate or conservative white to entertain those prospects you have a chance of saving them. (assuming they haven't taken the kill shot). Leftists are probably not going to be saved though. Leftists might just kill themselves rather than admit old white men are right.

[–]88BitSorelianism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Move to states where the politicians aren't anti White globalist sycophants, Tennessee, Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri soon to be others. There are a bunch of states that aren't putting up with this Jewish psyop anymore. It's really funny to me that all these racist liberals on here are so quick to suck the governments dick while they are actively genociding your people.

[–]socksuckersocks_sucks 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

That is the chief reason why I do not trust the whole Covid/Covax thing. The same people responsible for our present woes, whether we call them the 'elites', 'political classes', the '1%' as does that socks faggot, or whatever... are the same people who push the vax.

Those talking heads in the media who call us 'homophobic', 'racist', 'sexist'... are the very same people who call us 'anti-vax'. Those politicians who push immigration and every other social ill... are the very same people who push mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Why then would the latter not then be categorizable in the same genus as all of the former, as 'bad shit that the elites push'.

Why trust them on that particular issue when we trust them with practically nothing else? Who wants to take booster shots every three months (as expected in the UK now) for what could quite literally be the rest of their lives?

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

for what could quite literally be the rest of their lives?

Very short lives at that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Move to Africa. I don't think they enforce medicine on that continent.

But at the same time, they have ebola outbreaks and aids. I'm sensing a pattern... 🤔

[–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Africa is what happens when you let disease run rampant. Civilized societies stop pandemics.

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They also have almost zero covid to go along with their only 6% vaccinated population.

You know what, I'm also seeing a pattern. It just happens to be one you will deny exists all the way until the day you die from one of your mandatory boosters.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Pandemics are relatively recent phenomenon and less civilized places tend to get less affected.

As you've seen, it's all the dumbass tourists that bring the virus here, and more civilized societies are infinitely more intra-connected than less civilized ones.

Vargpill is the solution in this regard.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Japan has the best reaction and wants to ban all flights from entering the country.

That's how a nation is suppose to protect its citizens. Keeping all foreigners (and their diseases) out.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But it's the air itself that's contaminated with the covid hoax. Just being on an island is no defense, since there's air there too.

That's aside from keeping non-Japanese (in this case) out, as foreigners are like an infection to a culture.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's just all so farsical, this shit wouldn't happen in fascist societies, we'd close borders on time and it would all literally be alright.

Instead we closed our borders two weeks after the first case (after covid being present in Italy for well over a month) because of muh economy.

Not to say how government had terrible response to it (which is not even possible in capitalist societies), they did nothing instead of preventing firings, freezing rents, etc.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

Man, over 4 billion people worldwide got the vaccine, what are you skeptical about?

I can't understand how people will totally ruin their lives based on some bullshit they read online.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Man, over 4 billion people worldwide got the vaccine

Just because 'everyone else' is doing something does not mean that it is a smart thing to do.

If 4 billion people jumped off of a cliff, would you follow after them and jump off that cliff?

what are you skeptical about?

We've had this discussion a hundred times before. Do you really want me to respond to this nonsense?

[–]thoughtcriminalLibertarian 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's not about the vaccine it's about the mandate. My body my choice. I am vaccinated but this is a hill I would die on. If my job forces me to prove my vax status, I will quit my job. The state should not be able to force a medical procedure. And if you lay down and let them, you will never get the right to bodily autonomy back.

Take a step back and look at the broader picture. Why is there any support for the mandate at all? Because if you don't get the vax you're killing grandma, obviously. Ignoring the fact that this is untrue (there's no significant different in spread rates among vaxxed/unvaxxed populations), that dynamic can be applied to almost everything. If we are willing to give up our freedom and bodily autonomy for safety against a virus with a 0.5% death rate among the unvaccinated, imagine what else we'll be willing to give up.

Australia has concentration camps for covid where people who have tested negative for covid are forcefully being detained against their will. Read that again. This is only year 2.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

The state should not be able to force a medical procedure.

There's a certain whacky religion out there. I believe they're the Jehovahs Witnesses? They teach their members to not get life saving blood transfusions. But they also teach their kids the same thing which got a lot of them killed.

Eventually this caught the attention of the Canadian government, who ruled against the religion and said children had to live.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-blood-transfusion-1.4299992

If you're an adult or over 18, then fine, you're mature enough to die by your own stupidity. But children 17 and under who don't know any better? Sorry, but the antivaxxers or religious cults lost this case.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

especially bad as vaccines hurt kids the most, jehovah's have the right idea.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, not a fan of parental infanticide.

It reminds me of that Libertarian joke where the parents sell their children into slavery to pay off debts. At some point, the government has to step in.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, not a fan of parental infanticide.

Now you're against masks and (not) vaccines?

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

People under 18 have a nearly 0% chance of being harmed by Covid. You do not get to override the wishes of the parents for a ~0% chance of harm. There are so many choices parents make for their kids that pose far greater risks to the child and governments rightly are not allowed to intervene.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There are so many choices parents make for their kids that pose far greater risks to the child and governments rightly are not allowed to intervene.

You made the mistake thinking I support bad parenting. I don't.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I never said you support "bad parenting" (whatever you think that is). I said the historical and current legal threshold for the amount of danger to the child that is needed before the state can intervene is far above the danger that Covid poses to children, and rightly so.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No it isn't.

I just posted the Jehovahs Witnesses had their right to refusing blood transfusions for a child rejected. Similarly, immunization records for public schools are already a thing as well.

I never said you support "bad parenting" (whatever you think that is).

As someone who believes in a cohesive and homogenous society, I would never support people who deny diseases exist or get stupid ideas that their religion is worth more than a child's life. It stands to reason why East Asian countries always had a much better control over the pandemic. They don't do blatantly moronic things like letting their sick children attend school with the purpose of infecting others and shutting down the whole class.

And yes, that is a real story that was published this week.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/06/us/student-quarantine-covid-school-trnd/index.html

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

they have been requiring vaccines for kids in schools for a while but we have needed to stop that for a while, it has caused a lot of autism

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn't really make sense, since vaccines are readily available and people can receive more than 1 in their entire life.

The entire world should have been autistic by now if that was the case.

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

When a child needs a blood transfusion and the parents are refusing, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~100%. If a parent refuses to give their child the Covid injection, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~0%.

God you're a fucking moron.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If a parent refuses to give their child the Covid injection, the probability of serious injury or death if the state does not intervene is ~0%.

No you idiot, they still carry the disease with them and get others infected. And just because someone can survive Covid, doesn't mean their body hasn't been seriously damaged in the process. Everything from declining mental health, to Covid patients depriving access to fresh lung transplants for other needy patients is a threat.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that all may be true but the vaccine is too dangerous so shoudn't be used especially on younger people and children

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well the problem arises when things must not be up to individual's choice and something just has to be done, how else would you bost vaccination rate if not through mandate?

People have intrinsic fear of needles because of all the holocaust movies they watched, nobody would get the vaccine on their free will.

You're right though, this is crisis of liberalism, there is contradiction between "dude just leave everyone be" and vaccine mandates (or even just being politically incorrect, but to solve that issue you don't need majority).

[–]chadwickofwv 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what are you skeptical about?

Maybe the fact that these "vaccines" have already racked up more reports of deaths than all other vaccines throughout the entire history of tracking vaccine adverse events, combined. Meaning that in less than a year there have been more reported deaths than all deaths combined since 1990.

If that doesn't concern you, then you are unequivocally retarded.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he figures it's worth the risk as covid is more dangerous.

It just increases the chance of you dying though, if you add a deadly vaccine which does nothing to prevent covid to getting covid. So it's best to just try to get neither.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only heard of 2 cases in Slovenia, and they stopped the vaccination process each time and it was pretty public. That claim seems like some fake news.

If you refer to VAERS data, you know the problems which come with it? Nobody can check if these entries are legit, doctors are required to enter deaths totally unrelated to vaccination like car crashes, etc.

[–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Coffeeandcovid dot com has a lot of legal information about how to play this (assuming you are American)

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If "normal society" is represented by the maskers, I want no part of it.

Actually had a short conversation with a masker yesterday. When asked why the mask over the face, there was a bizarrely emotional claim that it "had two people die yesterday, so I don't want to talk about it".

What to do depends on your tolerance for insanity, and how much personal risk you're willing to accept. It's a dangerous cult that will kill to uphold their cult beliefs, and with its strong grip on most of our society, the less contact the better.

[–]thoughtcriminalLibertarian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone on discussions.app asked this recently in terms of employment and this was my response:

Lie. Say you have natural immunity or say you got the vax. If they question further ask to see their vaccine policy. They should have something in writing. Read through the policy for obvious loopholes. If you can't stall any further, try for a religious exemption. This template has worked for some people apparently: https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/post/987884/employer-letter-example-vaccine-mandate-objection

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Network with like minded people locally.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Once you realize that they won't stop now they have reached this point (mandatory vax every three months, total control of your movements and constant data mining) it's up to you to decide whether you'll resist or not. This will make things clear in your mind and you can go forward accordingly.