Arbery Trial Verdict In: Guilty on Most Counts

submitted by Richard_Parker from self.debatealtright

Somewhat arguable I suppose. It seems like a contaminated jury to me given how quickly the verdict came out.

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Watch conservatives sit there and nod their heads along with this and use it to bolster their 'SEE THE SYSTEM IS JUST AND NOT RACIST!' narrative. Never afraid to throw white people under the bus if it suits their ideas.

God forbid there are people who want to stop serial black thieves in their neighbourhood.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you immediately do a google search, the news will tell you "3 White Men guilty of killing Black Man".

But the media never prints articles that says "3 black guys guilty of killing a white person". The media invents racism whenever it can make white people look bad.

By the way, here's proof:

https://www.cp24.com/world/three-white-men-found-guilty-in-slaying-of-ahmaud-arbery-1.5679410

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/nov/24/ahmaud-arbery-verdict-killing-trial-live

[–]88BitSorelianism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This all pinned on whether the citizens arrest was legal or illegal and the judge did not rule correctly on whether they needed probable cause or reasonable suspicion, when it is ambiguous the judge has to apply the rule of lennity and rule on it in the defendants favor and not in the state's favor and he failed to do that. Andrew Branca really explained it well here. https://youtu.be/TkKzGnh591g

[–]88BitSorelianism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here is some more on it

"In the Georgia trial over the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, Judge Timothy Walmsley delivered a haymaker to the defense on the very eve of closing statements.

The court ruled that Georgia’s prior citizen’s arrest law is only applicable if a person sees a felony committed and acts without delay.

The ruling could be “outcome determinative” in the case by stripping away the core defense that these men were chasing a person suspected of a series of crimes over the last year.

[...]

Bob Rubin, attorney for Travis McMichael, objected that “if you are going to instruct the jury as you say, you are directing a verdict for the state.”

Judge Walmsley simply responded “I understand the significance of this charge.”"

[–]Node 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The goal is to give black criminals free rein to run rampant through our society, looting and murdering as they go.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Did you watch the Young Turks video I posted last night. She said as much, under the guise that stopping is tantamount to valuing property over human life. Not all human life is worth the same, and some lives do not matter to me. So yes, people should be able to do whatever is necessary to protect their property's their communities.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I watched a minute or so. I can't take much of that level of stupidity and malice.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it is well worth watching, to better understand the enemy. Plus they get a number of things wrong, much of it intentionally. I cannot tell if they are since in their purported belief that Arbery was really out jogging.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I cannot tell if they are since in their purported belief that Arbery was really out jogging.

Sincerity isn’t even in these people’s vocabulary. The idea is utterly alien to them. Their narrative is simple, ‘white pypo bad!’. Every argument they make stems from & renforces that narrative regardless of nuance or morality.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly as Pierce predicted it.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

SEE THE SYSTEM IS JUST AND NOT RACIST!

Killing people for stealing stuff isn't legitimate. It's not legitimate defense, it's not castle doctrine either since it was a property under construction, basically it was not justified.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Next time a grimy hoodlum reaches for your gun I look forward to you being as philosophical.

In any sane society these men would be lionized and technically IF the disgusting spook had committed felony robbery and not just trespassed then the shooting would have been legal. That's such a small technicality.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He did commit felony burglary. You do not have to steal anything to be guilty, just engage in an act that evicted attempt (eg going in a house like that).

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He did commit felony burglary.

Don't think that's techinically true but agree generally with your point.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is. Check out Branca's analysis.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I cannot be attacked. Life, the world, people, and events aren't what you think.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I cannot be attacked. Life, the world, people, and events aren't what you think.

Bizarre fucking retard gibberish. No idea what you're even saying. Speak English and make sense.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

His cadence and writing style are strikingly similar to that other troll who was banned.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, yes. That "retard" word, entirely reserved to the most elevated of souls, the greatest of minds. Never has an underpowered intellect ever reduced other people's expressions thusly, for they themselves would never project what is theirs to begin with onto others. That'd be wrong, right?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The use force matters depending on the severity of the crime and the force citizens can use is different from cops. Even if you can say in hindsight that killing Arbery was a net benefit for the community, the law doesn't work that way. The lesson for this case is don't be a hero and if you suspect a criminal, let law enforcement handle it.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not when he goes for the shotgun.....

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They did not have immediate knowledge that Arbery committed a felony which makes their citizen's arrest void. If you chase after someone and provoke a violent confrontation with a gun, you don't get self-defense if you kill someone. They can't prove Arbery is the aggressor which means the defense loses the case.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This was addressed by Branca on his appearance on tomcats, starts about an hour in. Any natural reading of the statute sets two standards, one for crimes generslly and probable cause and reasonable suspicion for a fleeing felon.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Any natural reading of the statute sets two standards, one for crimes generslly and probable cause and reasonable suspicion for a fleeing felon.

That is true, but the interpretation of the law in the trial requires them knowing the crime the felon committed. Trespassing is just a misdemeanor and going by their definition they would be committing a unlawful citizen's arrest. Personally, I think the McMichaels should go free because:

1) Ahmaud Arbery was caught trespassing multiple times on camera.

2) He fled when asked a question, which most people reasonably believe that person probably committed a crime. People don't run away because they were asked a question.

3) There was a series of break ins in the neighborhood by Blacks. It is reasonably to believe Arbery was planning to steal from the construction site or other homes in the neighborhood. Thieves often case out an area before they steal. How many times do you need to illegally trespass to look at a building under construction?

4) Arbery was the aggressor in the final struggle that ended his life. There is no evidence that the three were trying to kill Arbery. Malice murder for Travis McMichael is absurd because there was no racial bias or intent to kill.

5) Arbery was habitual criminal and felon. It is very likely he would commit a crime again.

6) The most the three should get is false imprisonment and aggravated assault. Not life in prison without parole. They weren't bad people. It is wrong that good people should be locked up while criminals roam free.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Watch Branca on Timcast. Most everything you write has been rebutted there. I have no interest in relitiagitng this. The first paragraph depends on a faulty reading of the statute. Also, it is not ist trespass. Intent to burgle is inferred from circumstances even if he did not steal anything.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's quite clear he was scoping that place looking for something to steal. However I know this is probably not the thing we should be focusing on at the moment but my god the guy who posted that video is beyond retarded for doing that.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Right, if the neighbor guy did not post it, it would have all been swept under the rug.

I think it is a borderline case. I do not like that it galvanizes this lefty attitude that we should sit and take blackies committing all sorts of crime with impunity.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yes, that attitude is wrong too, but killing a dude, black or not, on SUSPICION OF THEFT is not right. Take a cellphone, film the guy. Point a gun at him and tell him to stop and get his hands up while the cops are coming. Shoot him in the leg. I don't know...

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Oh for fuck's sake. Travis did not shoot him on suspicion of burglary. He shot Arbery when the Arbery went for the gun.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He obviously didn't have the competence of using a firearm correctly then. When you pull out a gun, it's either because your life is threatened, or you MAKE DAMNED SURE the target isn't coming for it. There were 2 of them, no reason for shooting.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wrong.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant to write there SHOULD HAVE BEEN no reason for shooting.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Point a gun at him and tell him to stop and get his hands up while the cops are coming.

That can still be legally dicey. But that's exactly what they did, or tried to do. However, Africans are a highly psychopathic race*, and one of the characteristic traits of psychopathy is fearless dominance - the sort of thing that makes someone think charging someone who's holding a shotgun is a good idea.

*Jews are a highly psychopathic race too, but they have a high enough average intelligence to do more white-collar crimes, rather than winding up in prison for impulsive violent crimes, the way 1-in-3 black men do.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Legally dicey for sure, but probably carries a lesser sentence than outright killing the guy even if completely unwarranted.

[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think that's where this went bad. Arbery ran around the truck to take the gun away from McMichael, but McMichael went out of his way to put himself in that position. He should have kept following him in the truck while talking with the police on his cell phone. The only way Arbery could have gotten away was by cutting through someone's yard. One look at that security camera video and the police would know exactly who he was and could have, at the least, served him with a notice of no trespassing. I would have thought that only Travis would have been convicted of murder, and only manslaughter at that, but I guess the jury thought intent was there when they got the "posse" together. Maybe something will happen on appeal since the judge took "citizen's arrest" off the table.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, you point a gun at somebody, just make damn sure he stays put. Keep some distance, get your helper to tackle if the guy charges, etc.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And now the feds are piling on with "hate crime" charges. JFC.

https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1463584388659269632?s=20

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I can't believe they are still calling him a jogger.

[–]Richard_Parker[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh he is a jogger all right!