One of the latest decisive victories the DR has had in the debate sphere was Keith Woods/Joel Davis absolutely trouncing Inbred Haz/Logo Daedalus. Now Martinez has arrived on the debate scene, destroying two no-name small fry BreadTuber wannabees before destroying their wretched king, the half-Cuban 'non-binary' bisexual drug addict and literal cuckold (who, much to our amusement, once missed a scheduled debate with Mark Collett because he took the wrong drugs and thought that he was going to die, one which has yet to be rescheduled). I write, of course, of Destiny. This strange specimen is, for the unaware, one of the leading online 'role models' for contemporary Left-wing youth... even though in any previous time this odious character would be a clear anti-role model.
YouTube - PoliticallyProvoked:
https://youtu.be/yUnKv4BT3kE
YouTube - Destiny:
https://youtu.be/fFxDjvID41Y
Odysee - PoliticallyProvoked:
https://odysee.com/@PoliticallyProvoked:6/debate!-destiny-martinez-debate-the:f
Odysee - MartinezPerspective:
https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/DEBATE!_Destiny_-_Martinez_debate_The_Great_Replacement_yUnKv4BT3kE:d
Odysee - Destiny:
https://odysee.com/@Destiny:6/these-quotes-prove-i'm-right!-destiny:2
BitChute - MartinezPerspective:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sXPmHW8Dnn0S/
Martinez commences by taking the immediate offensive and dropping a 'red pill dump' (his words in a later stream) on Destiny's head. Degenerestiny has no points to raise and merely tries to cling to the usual 'correlation does not equal causation' cope. This comes from the usual 'The Great Replacement (TGR) is a conspiracy theory' narrative. Note, of course, that we do not need to identify the cause of a thing in order to believe that thing exists. Following Degenerestiny's reasoning, Leftists must accept that climate change, systemic racism, etc. are conspiracy theories because they can neither give a comprehensive list of persons who are responsible for them nor comprehensively detail anything else about their exact cause. The best that they can themselves do is claim that the culprits are "capitalists" or "White people"... and yet blaming such an aggregate is something they strangely think is impermissible when it comes to TGR. The unintended consequence of this reasoning is that much of what they believe in becomes untenable, and so it is a woefully stupid path for Degenerestiny to attempt steering the debate toward.
Furthermore, causation has little to do with TGR. The Camp Of The Saints does not claim that J's or any other group are responsible for the human tidal wave.
Finally, it would be morally reprehensible irrespective of who is responsible for it—whether J's, capitalists, Leftists or someone else entirely. The exact people causing it is irrelevant, since this contains the implicit assumption that it could be justifiable if group A was responsible, but not if group B was responsible. Actually, any group could be responsible and the conclusion would still be the same. Martinez's argument is that if person A, B, C, ..., Z in a position of power (including Joe Biden, who speaks of 'unlimited immigration' being good and how people like him becoming a minority will make America 'stronger') tacitly admits TGR, and all without repercussions, we should just accept that they're actually telling us the truth and that the System is complicit, which best explains why there are no repercussions. There is no need to prove that it's a deliberate plot hatched by some malicious group.
Degenerestiny laughably insists that there is no incoherence in having different politics between different countries; for example, one person being Right-wing in Israel but Left-wing in White countries. This means that somebody could be a reactionary in one country and a radical in another country without being extremely malicious or stupid. Of course, if you think that one 'wing' is objectively right in one location, then by supporting the other in a different location you're simply supporting for another group what you would not support for your own in-group. This of course makes sense from a malicious perspective: supporting what harms out-groups often benefits your in-group. Destiny clings to this double standard in order to attempt justifying why he supports tighter borders for Israel whilst supporting lax borders for America.
Degenerestiny insists that Whites do not exist from a sort of introspective sense; that some French or Spanish people may not see themselves as 'White'. But extrospectively (from the perspective of non-whites or Leftists when they're waffling about 'White privilege', 'all Whites are racist', etc.) 'White people' obviously do exist. Note that the inability to categorize people as 'White' only happens when 'White' is used in a positive sense. This is also a particularly ignorant claim when the term 'free White men' was used in the American Constitution, Australia had a 'White Australia' policy, etc.
Degenerestiny eventually resorts to a fatalist argument—even if it turns out as bad as the DR says, well, we can't deport all of these people. Whites will just have to accept being discriminated against, deported, exterminated, and so forth. Obviously such an argument is akin to claiming that because someone got away with a mass theft of something somewhere in the past, that we should not attempt to return it to its rightful owners today because the people who now possess it are not the same people as those who stole it, or because they no longer possess all of it, etc. Again, Leftists don't even accept this reasoning when it comes down to 'land back' narratives around so-called 'indigenous' peoples, reparations payments 'for slavery', and so forth. It's yet another stupid path for them to go down—it so obviously backfires. It's about as stupid as the 'two wrongs make a right' fallacy that these types often resort to: 'you're just scared that they'll treat you the way that [Leftists and non-whites think] your ancestors treated them'. Again, they don't even believe this: for example, if Israel suddenly killed millions of Arabs, they wouldn't seriously claim that another Holocaust would be justified in order to right that wrong.
Even self-admitted Degenerestiny fans are claiming they feel that he was grossly unprepared. His defenders are resorting to silly copes like 'muh quotes prove nuffin', 'muh Hispanic name' or 'boring voice'. The last two are clearly logical fallacies (see, for example,
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Ad-Hominem-Abusive), where the second premise is replaced by 'Person 1 is non-white' or 'Person 1 sounds boring' while the rest of the fallacious argument remains intact (i.e. the conclusion remains that Person 1's claims are false). One also notices that towards the end Degenerestiny himself desperately resorts to this lame, logically fallacious argumentum ad hominem by trying to associate the name 'Martinez' with Latinos/mestizos to attempt shifting the argument to falsely claiming that a person needs to possess a particular identity marker in order to advocate for the interests of people who hold that identity marker. Obviously this is again nonsensical. By this same logic, if Martinez can't advocate for Whites because he's 'non-white' (he isn't, he's actually 0% Amerindian [and 0% North African, for those who try to claim that Spaniards are all Moorish descendants] on his genetic test, which makes this even more farcical), Destiny can no longer advocate for any gender other than non-binary because he cannot advocate for any gender other than his own, or for any sexuality other than bisexuality for much the same reasons. That renders him incapable of advocating for feminism, trans rights, etc. because they're the IdPol of identity markers he doesn't himself hold. Obviously, WN arguments would be just as correct regardless of whether the least White or the most boring sounding person in the world stated them; the truth of a message is not changed by its bearer. Destiny's arguments to attempt manipulating Martinez into a corner backfire on him with hilarious unintended consequences. Additionally, the sheer hypocrisy of self-proclaimed 'anti-racists' claiming that a person's surname determines what they can or cannot say is laughable.
He laughably doesn't even know that the human races are so distinct that a genetic test will determine one's genetic ancestry right down to the exact percentage. He seems genuinely baffled that Martinez can confidently tell him that he's 0% Latino/mestizo.
It's highly noticeable that practically all Leftist 'arguments' would easily be things that they themselves find mortifying if we replace 'White' with 'black' or 'Jew', 'America' or 'Europe' with 'Israel', etc. If your argument falls apart just by counterfactual reasoning (what if we substitute Whites for someone analogous to Whites, is it still factually true or morally right?), you're probably playing by a pathetic set of double standards.
All in all, this is a massive win for the DR, with a fast-growing 120,000+ views to mass distribute the 'red pills'. Most of these views, of course, come from Destiny's own YouTube upload—the fool posted it believing that it made him look good. Indeed, to his delusional cult followers, he never loses anything, he's laughably a 'debate God' among 'debate bros'.
Now if you've gotten this far, for a bit of comic relief I suggest this quick 53 second edited excerpt from one of Martinez's previous debates with a literal queer J (https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/jew-torches-himself:d) by the name of Jonah (who in a later stream says of Martinez: 'I think he was cute. I really liked him. I thought he was really quite pleasant to enjoy.', see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rau7deJtoc4 at 3:00:35) Jonah, like Destiny, hilariously thinks that he also won, boasting about how Martinez's supporters should 'take the L' (i.e. accept they've 'lost').
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