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[–]Girondin 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Im totally going to trust a organization that is explicitly pro-immigration and totally doesn't cherrypick polls that support its conclusion.

To me it makes sense that people are more pro-immigration since their are more post-1965 immigrants and recent immigrant-descended people in this country.

Like Sam Francis, I only care about the opinion of non-managerial class white people.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I only care about the opinion of non-managerial class white people.

They're not in power, so they don't actually matter.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The managerial class whites aren't really in power either. They are just tools of a higher group and I disagree on your point that non managerial whites don't matter. Drastic violent plebecite revolts do happen in history. People do become ungovernable. The managerial class ceases to exist if they lose narrative control. This recent project veritas founder raid is big sign they are worried about control.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fair enough.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I get the point you're trying to make though. The huge bulk of normal white people have been 'out of power' so to speak for a long time.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not if you want to control policy in the immediate future, but I don't think Girondin had that in mind.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great Sam Francis article. Thanks for sharing. I like the 'M.A.Rs' acronym. We should bring that back.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There have been lots of different polls that show the same trend.

[–]IkeConn 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The polls are being maniplulated to show what TPTB want you to think.

[–]Rob3122 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. See the current "pandemic" as proof of the manipulation of numbers by the people paying our corrupt politicians under the table

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Of course. It's less white than ever.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That cant explain the shift on its own. White Americans are more pro immigrant now too. Likely this is the result of the hysteria about Trump supposedly being anti immigrant. Being critical of immigration is now associated with the stigma of being racist.

[–]socksuckersocks_sucks 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It seems borderline intuitive that the worse a nation gets the more pro-immigration it gets. It only appears otherwise because few people want to go to worse nations such that those nations remain homogeneous, but empirical data shows that non-whites are far more supportive of globalization/globalism than Whites. After all, it allows them to escape the conditions that they'd normally be trapped in.

Why would people value their homeland if it is but a horrid cesspool? What would be the point of Mexican pride, or Brazilian pride? Mexican shame or Brazilian shame, perhaps... but pride, that seems as laughable as gay pride. Mexican pride is merely for those flagrantly unintelligent La Raza 'bronze race' morons who are far too dull to see that Hispanic nationalism in California only harms Hispanics—the Whites will simply 'White flight' away as the situation worsens, and with them, so too will the very same prosperity that they wish to capture for themselves. They need us, we don't need them.

Secondly, there is no evidence that most non-whites see themselves as 'American'. America is just a big shopping mall or workplace from which they can extract resources. There is absolutely no reason for non-whites to value America—they didn't build it, their ancestors didn't build it, and they had absolutely nothing to do with it until a few decades ago. They will never be American in any meaningful sense, nor do most of them even want to be—they only need to be recognized as 'American' enough to safely continue extracting resources without fear of deportation or worse. They only need a few things to continue fleecing America: voting rights to steer things in the direction that benefits their ability to acquire material (increase welfare, increase tax, etc.) and, of course, the continued repression of White ethnonationalism. They've long had those things: there is nothing else that they really need except to further entrench their authority and power to ensure that they can extract every last drop without interference.

Lastly, if America is merely a non-white cesspool, Whites won't really care about it either. They'll simply withdraw further and further away from society, from caring about any American 'greater good', because most of the interests of these new 'Americans' are inimical to their own. So even Whites do not have a reason to care about 'immigration harming America'; indeed, they will exceedingly not have a reason to care about 'America' at all; especially once they become a minority that will not even receive the same protections that they themselves accorded to non-white groups back when they held power. Immigration harming some enemy foreign nation—like what America is becoming—would be like Whites caring about more blacks entering South Africa. Who cares? They're harming each other, not us.

Would I care if some random non-white ethnicity become a minority in their own country to immigrants? Ideally speaking, I don't wish it on them, but what point is there in being invested in the fate of a country that has nothing to do with me nor anyone that I care about, especially when I can't even stop the exact same thing from happening to the people I do care about?

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you polled actual Americans, the results would be completely different.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Cope. The polls are of actual Americans and there are many of them that show the same trend.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'll bet we have very different ideas of what qualifies as an actual American.

[–]88BitSorelianism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was from 2019, I'm pretty sure it switched back to the majority wanting less.