This HAS TO be bullshit: Leftist studies that claim that "diversity" is a source of strength

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This is some sort of academic gaslighting. I'm sure we all know Jared Taylor/AmRen has extensively documented the failures of diversity. I wasn't even aware that academic leftists attempt to dispute it. I always figured their stance boils down to "Diversity doesn't cause tension and conflict, racism does", which allows them to pivot away from the myriad racial and ethnic conflicts around the globe and cry about discrimination. But apparently, they're coming out with bullshit studies that actually assert that diversity is good/not a problem. Anyone seen any of these before? I will quote below:

Diversity Doesn’t Hurt Social Cohesion White supremacists will often argue racial diversity leads to less social cohesion than racial homogeneity. The data disagrees.

https://sci-hub.do/10.1146/annurev-soc-071913-043309 Enormous meta-analysis of 90 cross-sectional studies analyzing relationship between diversity & social cohesion. Vast majority of studies on the subject fail to prove the relationship between two variables. In fact, study finds positive relationship between inter-ethnic contact & trust in ethnically heterogeneous communities. Only contrary data shows small-scale (intra-neighborhood) trust suffers with ethnic heterogeneity in some circumstances, and even then only in America. Plurality of data does not support - and largely contradicts - assertion that diversity hurts social cohesion.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/laibson/files/measuring_trust.pdf Study which tested around 200 students in a trust based experiment and compared results from diverse groups and homogenous groups . Finds no statistically significant negative relationship between diversity and social cohesion.

https://psycnet.apa.org/buy/2018-13651-001 Study examining a range of experiments meant to gauge the relationship between diversity and social cohesion. Study finds all of the experiments found a positive relationship between diversity and social cohesion. Proposed mechanism is that diversity causes people to identify more broadly with humanity, increasing sociability.

http://www.fisherwilliamson.com/downloads/MPSA040508.FINAL2.pdf Longitudinal study comparing the change in social cohesion over time in an area which experienced a large increase in diversity with a comparative control which didn’t. The two areas did not differ significantly in how their levels of social cohesion changed over time, suggesting the increased level of diversity had no statistically significant impact on social cohesion.

https://sci-hub.do/10.1093/sf/soz030 Another longitudinal study analyzing changes in trust in 22 European countries between the years 2002 and 2010. Study suggests immigration often leads to decrease in social trust, but results were heavily affected by ethnic polarization & economic stability. With low polarization and a good economy, immigration was shown to actually increase social trust. Results suggest it isn’t the diversity of immigrants which lessens trust, but rather the economic and political context in which they arrive.

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would be interesting to hear Puttnam's take on the second study given it comes out of the actual school that funded Bowling Alone where Puttnam is a Professor.

As for the question I love that Puttnam gave us a good scholarly work to confirm the truth about diversity but you don't really need studies to see the negative impacts diversity has. You just need to live in a diverse area and walk outside.

I guess it's also really important to clarify exactly what kind of diversity you're talking about. Polish migrants to Britain I'm sure didn't change much about the social cohesion in Britain and probably didn't have a profoundly negative impact on the native population outside of labour competition, wage reduction and competition for housing, schooling and health care services. However African and Arab Islamic migration always without fail represents incredible problems for the host nations in which they arrive for a variety of factors all of us know.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The second study found the exact opposite. Someone just lied about it.

Second, we find that subjects who are paired with a partner of a different race or nationality send back less money to their partner. Eleven out of the twelve times in which the recipient sent back nothing, the sender and the recipient were of different races. These effects are stronger than the social network effects and survive controls for the social connection of the sender and recipient. This finding is also unsurprising, but serves as a reminder of the continuing barriers that racial and national differences may create” (p.814)

[–]DisgustResponse 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Social science is fake and gay. There's an infinite number of ways to slice the pie to get what you want.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe, but how can we deploy that in a debate? It will just come across as anti-intellectualism.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not necessarily. Proper research requires detailing the analysis that you plan on doing before conducting the experiment, otherwise a researcher is just data dredging/fishing for significance. So it's actually very important to call out bunk research methods when you see them as there are few acceptable responses that allow the conclusions to stay valid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_dredging

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You have this from that Vaush google doc, don't you? Here is a good response to it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bT_Q3TXZX0ZjnNS_QMsR-MEPut7S5EIkFeAkIO7vEGI/edit

For instance, for the "enormous meta analysis":

“First, many of these studies measured ethnic diversity in a way that would call a half White half Black neighborhood and a half British American half German American neighborhood equally diverse. More specifically, ethnic diversity was often measured as the probability that two randomly selected two people from the same region would be of different ethnics groups were the list of possible ethnic groups included not 3-6 “races” but, rather, 100+ ethnic groups. Thus, many of these studies looked at ethnic, rather than racial, diversity. This is problematic because ethnic groups are far more genetically (and phenotypically) similar than races are.

The second problem with this meta-analysis is that many of the studies referenced controlled for the mechanisms by which ethnic diversity might damage social cohesion. For instance, many studies controlled for income inequality and crime. The results of such an analysis will be misleading because ethnic diversity might cause a decrease in social cohesion by causing an increase in crime and income inequality. Thus, many of these studies controlled for the effects of diversity and then concluded that diversity had not effect.

The worst of these are studies that actually controlled for racial diversity. For instance, Aizlewood and Pendakur (2005) and Andersen and Millligan (2011) both found that the proportion of a neighborhood which is non white negatively correlated with its level of social cohesion but that ethnic diversity had no, or a positive, impact on social cohesion, after controlling for the effects of variation in the size of the population that isn’t white! Several of these studies were counted as “failed replications” by Meet and Tolsma.”

The study of 200 students found the exact opposite of what Vaush is claiming:

Second, we find that subjects who are paired with a partner of a different race or nationality send back less money to their partner. Eleven out of the twelve times in which the recipient sent back nothing, the sender and the recipient were of different races. These effects are stronger than the social network effects and survive controls for the social connection of the sender and recipient. This finding is also unsurprising, but serves as a reminder of the continuing barriers that racial and national differences may create” (p.814)

and others:

Tatu Vanhanen analyzed 176 countries in the period from 2003-2011. He found that Ethnic diversity has 0.812 correlation with ethnic conflict. Meaning that more diverse countries tend to have more violent conflicts.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! I had come across another link that refutes some of that document, but I don't believe it addressed each section of the Vaush document as this does. Great to have.

[–]Fourth_stage 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh nice, i worked on this response a bit See more here from this persons blog https://vinumdiaboli.wordpress.com/2021/10/25/vaush-research-doc-response/

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wish I saved the image, but there was a funny /pol/ meme that debunked diversity in one sentence.

Riddle me this Batman. Why do immigrants strengthen our countries, but not their own?

And there are many other anachronisms.

[–]sylla94 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

https://files.catbox.moe/su1vjr.pdf

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Excellent link. Who wrote that paper?

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

nfi. had it saved for ages

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for the link.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ur aight mate

[–]aukofthecovenantWhite man with eyes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The abstract of the second study says:

Trustworthiness declines when partners are of different races or nationalities. High status individuals are able to elicit more trustworthiness in others.

From the abstract in the third link, for the only one of the five studies that could possibly ascertain causality:

Study 5 found that people asked to imagine that they were living in a more racially diverse neighborhood were more willing to help others in need

In other words, the conversations went like:

Experimenter: "Imagine you're living in a more racially diverse neighborhood than you are now. Would you be more or less likely to help neighbors in need?"

Subject: "Well I don't want you to think I'm racist, so I'll say more likely."

Experimenter: "Aha! Diversity is a strength after all!"

From the fourth, which focuses on the case of Lewiston, Maine which Amren has more to say about:

Other recent findings that have shown lower levels of social capital amidst diversity may be a product of residential sorting, longer-term processes, or threshold effects.

In other words, the study was limited in the kinds of effects it could detect.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Study which tested around 200 students

Pathetic sample.

[–]FoxySDTWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That paper found the exact opposite of what he's claiming

“Second, we find that subjects who are paired with a partner of a different race or nationality send back less money to their partner. Eleven out of the twelve times in which the recipient sent back nothing, the sender and the recipient were of different races. These effects are stronger than the social network effects and survive controls for the social connection of the sender and recipient. This finding is also unsurprising, but serves as a reminder of the continuing barriers that racial and national differences may create”

and in the abstract:

When individuals are closer socially, both trust and trustworthiness rise. Trustworthiness declines when partners are of different races or nationalities.

You can't make this shit up

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol!