A possible theory about how the left has been able to dominate cultural, social and academic sectors

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Yes, it was the same all throughout Europe. Students were the forefront of the revolutionary movements, the Legionaries in particular were started as a student group by Codreanu as opposed to both Germany and Italy being political parties that attracted a lot of students.

    The post-war drastic and rapid evolution of the university system was part of the general postmodernisation of society intended to engineer every pro-social factor out of society in order that mass movements never rise up again.

    Baudrillard wrote that the massification of society necessarily dissolves the social but I think during the modern interwar period this was proven wrong when massification kept the social which led to heights of social capital and the eventual pro-social nationalist revolutions. But he is right that conscious postmodernisation which is allowed by highly technological societies definitely can and have erased the social to a remarkable degree.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Yes, it was the same all throughout Europe. Students were the forefront of the revolutionary movements,

    It was the same in Spain. Up until the civil war, the Falangists were predominantly a student movement with a syndicalist blue-collar wing.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It was the same in Spain. Up until the civil war, the Falangists were predominantly a student movement with a syndicalist blue-collar wing.

    I would be interested to research the BUF and other equivalent movements across Europe and America. I'm sure the same mould will fit pretty much all of them, especially the ones that saw any kind of success.

    Hitler had an interesting quote about the phenomena in his own time

    “In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements, and it was the greatest crime that they used to oppose each other in street fights... Our party has already succeeded in uniting these two utter extremes within the ranks of our storm troops. They will form the core of the great German liberation movement, in which all without distinction will stand together when the day comes to say: 'The Nation arises, the storm is breaking!'”

    (Source: Der Fuehrer, Hitler’s Rise to Power (1944), p. 122)

    The revolutionaries of last century were well aware students and the military were the core of revolution. The people in power took note of this and made the military and universities require total loyalty to liberalism to hold any kind of influence.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The revolutionaries of last century were well aware students and the military were the core of revolution. The people in power took note of this and made the military and universities require total loyalty to liberalism to hold any kind of influence.

    It didn't help that in the second half of the 20th century there really was no need for efficient or independent institutions of learning or war. American material superiority in Korea, Vietnam, etc. was so massive that the real bottleneck was political division. These institutions became a battleground for influence and consequently there was a much greater incentive to socially engineer them rather than to let them perform their functions organically.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Bane voice: Peace has cost us our strength, victory has defeated us!

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Best line in the film.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That and the scene when he goes in the stock exchange and the guy says something like 'there's nothing to steal' and he replies 'then why are you people here?', based.

    Bane really was based in rhetoric. Shame he had to be underhanded building the myth that populist and revolutionary rhetoric must necessarily be cynical demagoguery serving some nefarious end.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Shame he had to be underhanded building the myth that populist and revolutionary rhetoric must necessarily be cynical demagoguery serving some nefarious end.

    True but at least his cynical form of popular revolt complete with lumpenprole and literal criminals released from prison resembles much more closely a left-anarchist brand of revolution which saves that part for me.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Lol thinking about it he's like fash in rhetoric but Maoist in praxis, he's something like Franco Freda.

    [–]FriedrichLudwig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Baudrillard wrote that the massification of society necessarily dissolves the social

    Is that like what the behavioral sink/mouse utopia demonstrates? That when all available social "slots" have been filled, or when a society has more people than it needs to function, pro-social behaviors begin to decline, eventually leading to societal collapse?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Seems similar at least