A possible theory about how the left has been able to dominate cultural, social and academic sectors

submitted by Nasser from (self.debatealtright)

A lot of it of course comes down to nepotism and accumulation of wealth and influence among the usual suspects. However a theory I've been thinking of is in regards to parenting and upbringing.

Picture this you have a conservative/traditionalist family and a liberal family. The conservative family would be more likely to push their sons towards safe, productive, proletariat, "real" jobs such as back then, farming, military, blue collar work and with changes in time and nature of work, white collar jobs like accounting. And for their daughters, they would be pushed towards primarily towards homemaking and being a housewife, maybe teaching(non university level) or nursing or secretary work.

The Liberal parents on the other hand would be more lax and allow the child to "follow their dreams" and go into careers that are fairly high risk and not seen as productive like acting or filming or singing etc. A lot of the ones who do go down these path's often fail but the ones that do succeed gain the ability to influence society at large compared to the conservative's child who ends with little power or influence.

How do you think this theory holds up and how would you remedy it in a society you control?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I think this is really civilian focused and America-centric. In Europe our fraternities were right wing in universities, the militaries were filled with aristocrats etc. These institutions aren't 'naturally' liberal, they were engineered that way from being naturally Traditionalist.

When you look at all the fields of academia that are today associated with the worst, most nonsensical, type of libtardism you find that these were all founded by and dominated by right wingers. Everything to do with social studies (blood) and environmentalism (soil), and the entire humanities and Culture endeavours.

These things aren't anti-transcendence at all, the institutions just started discriminating against those that naturally belong there and replaced them with people who don't belong there but will create system propaganda thus we end up in upside-down world.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    Yes, it was the same all throughout Europe. Students were the forefront of the revolutionary movements, the Legionaries in particular were started as a student group by Codreanu as opposed to both Germany and Italy being political parties that attracted a lot of students.

    The post-war drastic and rapid evolution of the university system was part of the general postmodernisation of society intended to engineer every pro-social factor out of society in order that mass movements never rise up again.

    Baudrillard wrote that the massification of society necessarily dissolves the social but I think during the modern interwar period this was proven wrong when massification kept the social which led to heights of social capital and the eventual pro-social nationalist revolutions. But he is right that conscious postmodernisation which is allowed by highly technological societies definitely can and have erased the social to a remarkable degree.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Yes, it was the same all throughout Europe. Students were the forefront of the revolutionary movements,

    It was the same in Spain. Up until the civil war, the Falangists were predominantly a student movement with a syndicalist blue-collar wing.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    It was the same in Spain. Up until the civil war, the Falangists were predominantly a student movement with a syndicalist blue-collar wing.

    I would be interested to research the BUF and other equivalent movements across Europe and America. I'm sure the same mould will fit pretty much all of them, especially the ones that saw any kind of success.

    Hitler had an interesting quote about the phenomena in his own time

    “In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and students from the Right. These two have always been the most active elements, and it was the greatest crime that they used to oppose each other in street fights... Our party has already succeeded in uniting these two utter extremes within the ranks of our storm troops. They will form the core of the great German liberation movement, in which all without distinction will stand together when the day comes to say: 'The Nation arises, the storm is breaking!'”

    (Source: Der Fuehrer, Hitler’s Rise to Power (1944), p. 122)

    The revolutionaries of last century were well aware students and the military were the core of revolution. The people in power took note of this and made the military and universities require total loyalty to liberalism to hold any kind of influence.

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    The revolutionaries of last century were well aware students and the military were the core of revolution. The people in power took note of this and made the military and universities require total loyalty to liberalism to hold any kind of influence.

    It didn't help that in the second half of the 20th century there really was no need for efficient or independent institutions of learning or war. American material superiority in Korea, Vietnam, etc. was so massive that the real bottleneck was political division. These institutions became a battleground for influence and consequently there was a much greater incentive to socially engineer them rather than to let them perform their functions organically.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Bane voice: Peace has cost us our strength, victory has defeated us!

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Best line in the film.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That and the scene when he goes in the stock exchange and the guy says something like 'there's nothing to steal' and he replies 'then why are you people here?', based.

    Bane really was based in rhetoric. Shame he had to be underhanded building the myth that populist and revolutionary rhetoric must necessarily be cynical demagoguery serving some nefarious end.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Shame he had to be underhanded building the myth that populist and revolutionary rhetoric must necessarily be cynical demagoguery serving some nefarious end.

    True but at least his cynical form of popular revolt complete with lumpenprole and literal criminals released from prison resembles much more closely a left-anarchist brand of revolution which saves that part for me.

    [–]FriedrichLudwig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Baudrillard wrote that the massification of society necessarily dissolves the social

    Is that like what the behavioral sink/mouse utopia demonstrates? That when all available social "slots" have been filled, or when a society has more people than it needs to function, pro-social behaviors begin to decline, eventually leading to societal collapse?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Seems similar at least

    [–]Nasser[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    So how would you say they got replaced? Are American and jewish influence the cause?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well even in America this was a result of power top-down choosing the direction of the institutions. As Tuisto mentioned before the 60s or so academia was right wing.

    They changed this by massively lowering standards so about 40% of people go to university now instead of like 5% back when it was a serious institution. The jews turned 'education' into a usury-machine that only has the purpose of turning people into economic cogs, enslaving them to debt and producing propaganda for them. If universities still selected for the top 5% of people only like 1/3 of this 5% would be current university students, the other 2/3rds would be people who didn't go to university currently because of how fucking retarded it is to go to university today.

    They got replaced simply by giving propagandists control over the curriculum in the elite universities which causes the other universities to adopt those courses. Boasian anthropology replaced real social studies for example, simply because power chose this.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Not a bad theory. I think that we live in a society today that values entertainment too much and thus sends money and resources towards people in those fields which end up being liberal (and continue to get MORE liberal as we feed the beast).

    My three big reasons why liberals are dominating the culture.

    1.Theft.

    They stole it. Jewish bankers got a chunk of change together and paid off anybody who stood in their way and they created a free money printing machine in the form of the fed. Anyone that threatens their little hustle is given the 'silver or lead' threat. The amount of money that's amassed from this hustle is constantly re-invested into protecting the racket. The Jewish banking families pay for a lot of the liberal entertainment, degenerate, and culture attack type careers. They are basically using our own money and labor to decimate us from the inside out.

    2.Bio-Leninism.

    Technology and the resulting technocracy has created weaker people and low quality people. In more traditional societies these people would have died or at least not had access to breeding but today they often get both. Marxs called these people lumpenproletariat but the neo Bolsheviks have wisely utilized these people as the vanguard golem against regular white folks. Until there's a hardcore re-ordering of society and these low quality people are gone we won't see any changes.

    3.Lost language.

    If you let someone control your language they control your mind. With control over the mind they can crush you. There are many examples of this but the most obvious is the word racism. Racism is devastating to white people. It's white kyptonite. White people hold being 'moral' as a high value. It's our biggest strength and our most devastating weakness. It creates tight high trust communities with beautiful commons and open societies that allow science, art, and engineering to flourish. Misused though it turns whites into mini commissars and witch hunters and shut ins. If you are accused of racism it's a moral attack that really doesn't have a defense. 'Racists' are the new witches and they must be starved, burnt, destroyed at all cost. This is the new religion and your don't easily get rid of well established religions. Not without an equally feverish counter religious fervor. Lost language is interconnected with lost European religion, lost spirit, lost health, etc. It's all interconnected.

    It might sound strange but liberals are dominating the culture because they have a reason to live. They have a founding myth, they have gods, they have priests, they have mythology, they have entertainment, they have a reason to gather and socialize and most importantly they have an enemy.

    The naturally right wing white male of 2021 has no religion, increasingly no family, no structures, and shrinking resources. The only religions and philosophies offered to him are nihilistic, degenerate and fatalistic. Nihilistic philosophies are toxins to the soul. Whites above all need to be building and growing things in communities with other whites or they whither and die. Whites of aristocratic heart and spirit have had everything taken from them. The only thing that they still keep are contained within. The flame of Europa flickers softly in a quiet stoic few.

    [–]socksuckersocks_sucks 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I've never seen that Bio-Leninism term defined but the way you describe it matches some of my own views (essentially, an intergenerational bio psychological degenerative process is going on in mass society a la Calhoun's mouse utopia, but writ large).

    If you've ever studied the history of academic fields you can see how many start off "Far-Right" and exceedingly move Left. Sociology is a great example. It starts in France with counter-revolutionaries trying to resolve the social problems created by the French Revolution, but was by the 1990s a total Left-wing echo chamber that seems to exist only to provide pseudointellectual justifications for everything their side does (family breakdown is reframed as "increased self-autonomy"; globalization, as inevitable, etc.) Everything bad is simply reinterpreted as "actually being something good". It doesn't matter whether it's as insane as CRT or genderfluidity - they're never wrong on anything, the "science" always confirms their preconceptions, always - mysteriously - leads to the outcomes they want. It couldn't be that the conclusions reached by "the science" are simply subordinate to, and totally warped by, the presumptions of their ideology, now, could it?

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

    This is a great read if you get a chance.

    https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

    Edward Dutton talks about this concept quite a bit. He uses the phrase 'spiteful mutants'. Bronze Age Pervert just refers to the phrase, 'communism as a biological phenomena'.

    essentially, an intergenerational bio psychological degenerative process is going on in mass society a la Calhoun's mouse utopia, but writ large).

    It's interesting in the experiment many mice didn't even fight. They just turned away from fighting and mating to engage in excessive grooming/preening. I definitely think there's something similar going on in the modern west. The scary part about that experiment was that once all the psychological damage was done to the mice and they started those isolating habits even an introduction of food and space didn't bring the population back. The population crash was irreversible after a certain point was reached. I fear we are at that point in the west.

    If you've ever studied the history of academic fields you can see how many start off "Far-Right" and exceedingly move Left.

    I don't know any far right folks in the academic fields at any level (at least not publicly).

    It starts in France with counter-revolutionaries trying to resolve the social problems created by the French Revolution, but was by the 1990s a total Left-wing echo chamber that seems to exist only to provide pseudointellectual justifications for everything their side does

    Ok so you're saying that when nations get started and found colleges and universities the academics are further right. That I'd agree with.

    Everything bad is simply reinterpreted as "actually being something good".

    This is so true. It's a perfect way to subvert a society.

    Another book/documentary you might like is E. Michael Jones's The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. He meticulously documents Jews doing this capture process in several countries.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VLGo9c28hGHQ/

    Kevin MacDonald documented something very similar in Culture of Critique.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/KUkk9xisGinI/

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Good theory, but no.

    This biased Left vs Right post is intentionally divisive and politely dismissive of the merits of alleged liberal values. Following your dream conservative careers also carry risks and may not be productive at all.

    I've worked in advertising, movies, and television - all very controlled. The "creatives" work for studios, agencies, and firms - all very controlled. They get grants and funding, large and small - all very controlled. I rationally assume all other areas of social influence are also all very controlled - like everything in the corporatocracy.

    All very controlled - top down.

    Currently Internet platforms provide everyone a opportunities to express themselves. Some obviously dominate and censor. Counter-narratives just have to be better to beat the Goliaths.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Trilateral Commission.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

    Daughters need to work too. We're way too nice to women (not really, but comparatively speaking) mostly because they look better than men. There is no reason for one half of the world to have everything handed to them so they can build their lives in peace, while the other half has to give up their whole lives and dreams to make that happen. Everyone should work their fair share and women should not get special treatment, nor should men be punished for being born male.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

    Raising children is the most important work a woman can do and its also necessary part of any society to bring up the next generation of people yet you talk about women being shunted into wage slavery at meaningless, make work jobs that benefit no one as some kind of moral duty. How ridiculous.

    Libertarianism is moral syphilis.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

    Raising children is the most important work a woman can do

    Men already have to do that too.

    yet you talk about women being shunted into wage slavery at meaningless, make work jobs that benefit no one as some kind of moral duty. How ridiculous.

    Why is it not ridiculous when we do the exact same thing to men? Why do we deserve to be punished for not being born female? I certainly didn't choose that and I doubt most people would, and even if they did you still have no valid reason to hate someone for being male.

    I'm fucking sick of me and half the world being treated like shit for not being a girl. Society treats us like shit, other people treat us like shit, our own bodies treat us like shit, our brains treat us like shit, and nature treats us like shit. We are only allowed to exist so far as what we do, while women are apparently precious and deserve everything for doing nothing but existing.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

    it wouldn't be a punishment if a man is doing hard but fulfilling work where he can support a woman at home who takes care of the kids, that woman would be working hard albeit at a different type of job.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

    That's not nearly as hard and is way more rewarding. And besides, she can avoid all of that by not having kids, whereas a man has no choice.

    Most men can't get fulfilling work either. Women usually do because they get to work for fun and nothing else. But men have to pay the bills, not self-actualize.

    Why?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

    yeah we're talking about traditional society which we need to go back to. Obviously can't allow women to just do whatever like right now. Men and women both were happier in years past.

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

    My first point still stands. And no we shouldn't go back to that because it sucks for all but one specific type of person. The real reason people were happier in the 50s is probably because there was an economic boom and most people could afford to take life easy and not get too stressed. Now we have ever-increasing demands which even kindergateners are feeling the weight of. These days there's no time for fun or relaxation or even mental health.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

    no it was great for all except maybe our rulers

    same reason it was an economic boom, we need to keep women out of the workforce, it's supply and demand with labor, keep them out and men's wages are doubled

    that solves your other problem about not enough time too

    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

    What we need to do is stop burdening men with all of it. Women should have to do their part too, we act like they deserve to just be lazy and pampered all the time because they're girls. They should both work part-time. Women are more talented at pretty much every kind of non-physical work anyway, and yet we still expect men to do all of it. And even at work women are given an easier time and not burdened as much. I don't f**king care how many people have a fetish for being Ken & Barbie, that's for your bedroom, life is more important than that.

    And no, removing women would only burden men even more because there'd be less people to do the work.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

    men and women are different. women are weaker, mentally and physically. They can't work at the same jobs as men, sorry if it seems unfair but it is just reality. Why fight it. Raising children is hard work, why deny that?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The billionaires want this, therefore it happens. End of story.

    [–]EngieBengie 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I am glad I am not the only one who also realizes this possibility. Yes, I agree with this being the probable cause of why leftism came to dominate universities. One of the things I often run into is conservative using debt as an excuse not to go to college but there are other excuses they love to use such as when they pretend all college offers is gender studies and woman studies. As a result they cede a lot of ground in areas that have a lot of influences such as technology and marketing and humanities that are valuable and can make for good, well paying careers. A hard right movement needs to expand beyond the same old shtick that conservatives have been peddling for decades about how we should go to a trade school instead.

    We need more right wingers in college and there are a lot of great and promising careers on the horizon that require college educations. Computer Science is future proof and is going to be needed if we want to carve out our place in the internet since mainstream platforms are unreliable. I have also heard that certain careers in the Humanities are not so easily replaceable with automation so that's a good thing as well.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    with computer science, it can be tough to get a job in that. The dotcom bubble had burst around 99 and a lot of those jobs went away and haven't come back. Humanities is a fake major like gender studies.

    [–]EngieBengie 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    When I said humanities I was specifically talking about Philosophy which is useful and influential.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    how can you get a job in humanities, if just as a humanities teacher in college it's not a real major.

    [–]Tums_is_Smut_bkwrds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But where do the liberal parents come from? Do you think that a family of homesteaders facing their first winter on the prairies had any liberal ideas beyond Love thy neighbor which they heard at church on sunday? When you are faced with unending hardship and the very real possibility of starvation in a few short months if you can't get the crops harvested you are not going to waste any time thinking about socialist nonsense.

    The liberalism that is currently holding the country under sway is the direct result of Marxist teaching and influence. Following WW2 the West was particularly ripe for such ideology, especially as it was promoted as enlightened and modern thinking which dovetailed nicely with the rise of science and technology's influences on everyone's live. The whole hippie counter culture is nothing more than an expression of Marxism. The irony being, of course, that what was initially sold to us as the ultimate in freedom has become a highly controlling and dictatorial regime. Peace, love, and dope has become Do what I say or I will see to it that your life is ruined.

    And don't get me started on what they did to rock and roll.

    [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The only reason why left dominated the culture is because the culture itself tends to pimarize towards lines that must be however accepted in their core points by society (otherwise you won't get cash from universities, which monopolize the cultural production worldwide). After the ww2 liberalism was the only really accepted ideology, so here we are.

    [–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    One thing the left talks about is that their information is backed up more by primary sources than ours, hence why their information is more accepted by intellectuals and the general public. Do those who research such events never come to right-wing conclusions?

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's honestly pretty simple, urbanization and development lead to decadence. If you want tradition you have to legally stagnate technological development. The Kingdom of Bhutan has successfully done this (albeit as a practical protectorate of India) and is recognized as the happiest country in the world.