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[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I never made the switch but most conservatives, our former allies and mostly made up of more moderate libertarian-minded people, did.

I know I sound crazy but I think it might be the matrix either dumbing down its AI or replacing formerly real people with AI. Conservatives now act less like actual conservatives and more like liberals think conservatives are. Liberals themselves underwent this same shift long before, probably sometime around the Obama Era. They both act like cartoons at this point. Also remember that all it would take is to alter the key players, to most people politics is little more than tribalism and they will blindly go with whatever their party tells them.

I've seen these "AI takeovers" on a few people in real life too, it's sad. They either become extremely Flanderized or super secretive and refuse to interact with you, even long-time friends, and act nothing like themselves.

If that's not it I have no reasonable explanation. The switch literally happened overnight in May/June 2020 and they now seem to have no memory of changing and think they were always like this. Even though they did a complete 180 on their core values.

You mentioned those who do remember being libertarians, I would guess they probably started going by their human instincts but what do I know. You'll have to ask them.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Conservatives now act less like actual conservatives and more like liberals think conservatives are.

You projected on them your ideals. This is a mistake.

I've seen these "AI takeovers" on a few people in real life too

Don't disgrace the dead. Facebook posts on behalf of dead users, that doesn't mean that living ones are victims of the same.

I would guess they probably started going by their human instincts

What do you think libertarianism even is? Have you read locke?

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You projected on them your ideals. This is a mistake.

If I were doing that, there's no reason for me to suddenly stop doing so and not realize it. Second, we were in large agreement in the past. The residue here is all the libertarians like Ron Paul and Adam Kokesh who always aligned with the Republican party. I am not the only one to notice this sudden and unexplained shift either.

Don't disgrace the dead. Facebook posts on behalf of dead users, that doesn't mean that living ones are victims of the same.

I literally said "in real life".

What do you think libertarianism even is? Have you read locke?

I don't need to read Locke or anybody, it's common sense. It's the only position that makes even a lick of sense or has any real morality or principles and not mere tribalism. Which is unfortunately probably the reason it never wins out in a human world.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

we were in large agreement in the past

That's where the projection lies. Also, sorry to break it to you, but kokesh is a left-libertarian. He leaves ideals behind when it suits him. Ron Paul argues with principles and votes for his people, easy to see he's consistent

it's common sense

haha, no

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also, sorry to break it to you, but kokesh is a left-libertarian. He leaves ideals behind when it suits him.

I don't know a whole lot about him but I do know he was on Fox News which is generally right leaning. You may be right but I don't trust your assessment because libertarians are being called leftists by conservatives now. Completely the opposite of before, when they actually felt were simply a bit too extreme.

Ron Paul argues with principles and votes for his people, easy to see he's consistent

What's your point?

haha, no

Other people do not have the right to enslave me or steal from me or harm me without consent. Other systems do not respect this. The problem is it goes against human instincts, which are totalitarian, violent, and socialist.

[–]thefirststoneThat's my purse! I don't know you! 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My point is that Ron Paul sings the song of his people. Adam Kokesh is a bad grifter.

Whatever you think is "common sense" doesn't matter. Imagine that you're fighting for your life among others like you in a temporary fortification. What do you believe? Why are the invaders so angry?

How will this answer change when it's transmuted to the present day? Are they still angry? Maybe it doesn't matter from where the rights of man derive, and we are all bound in common by the hatred of our enemy.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Humans define themselves based on group loyalty and hatred of others, even at the expense of their own basic rights. I find it unbelievable just how few see why this is bad. REALLY bad.