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[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How are the defendants going to address the primary claim found throughout news articles, that there was a conspiracy through the numerous online messages collected?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Name the online messages you think are proof of a 'conspiracy' with malice aforethought to commit violence.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Basically what was part of the whole Discord/Daily Stormer thing - it's up in the air right now with Lipstadt's role in the trial.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Deborah Liptstadt? What's her role? Haven't heard anything about that.

Also Anglin has been given a default judgement. He's not part of the trial now.

Edit: Looked it up. Great, unbiased expert witness who I'm sure will spend half the time talking about the Irving trial.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Apparently Lipstadt signed on as witness, primarily to analyze symbols, tropes and perceived intents of the UTR protesters.

Yes, I do know. Still it's other people associated with the network that are on trial right now, and the rhetoric is still on display today. The prosecution's people are questioning the marcated line between these posts being "just a joke" and serious threats as well.

https://gab.com/UTR_Updates/posts/107214873672378598 "There is a great deal of Azzmador material being submitted into evidence. They're still in July reading from the Discord chats."

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455995281217146891 ("they are scum", "they deserve their fates" messages)

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455529452633567232 (Daily Stormer - "self-deprecating humor to hide their true feelings")

There's more of it down Molly Conger's feed. Kessler/UTR Updates do a good job, but there's still another side to the story to explore and neither have been as detailed with these sorts of messages.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a cat lady responding with outrage to spicy talk. The case is about proving a criminal conspiracy on the part of the defendants to go to UTR and commit racial violence. Nothing in any sane society referenced there proves that at all. But we don't live in a sane society so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The Lipstadt inclusion is a disgrace. She's a fucking Professor Of Jewish Studies for God sake. What possible expertise can she provide in this case? I think the plaintiffs might be so out of touch that they think that due to her participation in the Irving trial she'll be able to dazzle the jury as a celebrity witness. Meanwhile no one but 'Nazis' and Jews have even heard of the rotten old witch and definitely no one on the jury will care.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

she's the one that made up the holocaust

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well yes, most of it is ad-hominem, but I am still mining these threads for other interesting arguments they make. Still I don't quite know about the whole thing about something being either a joke or serious (as example, the whole PewDiePipeline video making an argument for all our humor leading to such action).

I will admit that the inclusion of Lipstadt speaks volumes about the prosecution however.