Charlottesville Civil Suit Thread - Sines v Kessler

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Information regarding the suit

If anyone has stuff that could be added to the post put it in the comments and I'll add it to the OP. Any articles, podcasts, twitters, telegrams etc will do.

Articles by /ourguys/

Defendants Articles

Matthew Parrott on Substack - WaPo v. Heimbach

National-Justice

Charlottesville Trial Part I

Charlottesville Trial Part II

Charlottesville Trial Part III

Charlottesville Trial Part IV

Charlottesville Trial Part V

Charlottesville Trial Part VI

Charlottesville Trial Part VII

Charlottesville Trial Part VIII

Charlottesville Trial Recap IX and X (11/8 and 11/9)

Charlottesville Trial Part XI

Charlottesville Trial Part XII & XIII

Charlottesville Trial Part XIV

Charlottesville Trial Part XV

Charlottesville Trial Part XVI

Mainstream media articles

Roberta Kaplan Takes White Supremacy to Court

Podcasts that discuss the trial

Strike and Mike 185 (Paywalled)

The Third Rail 221

The People's Square - Charlottesville Trial So Far (w/ Senior Correspondent Trey Garrison)

NORDIC FRONTIER #208: Tony Hovater and the Charlottesville Duginists

Keith Woods, Joel Davis, and Eric Striker discuss the Charlottesville Trial

FTN 452: Cville Update with Spectre (Paywalled)

Jason Kessler and Greg Johnson

How you can listen

If you're American you can call a number to listen to the audio of the trial. Please note that the recording of the trial audio is prohibited.

Dial-in Number: (888) 808-6929

Access Code: 4334643

Telegram accounts posting updates

Spectre

Striker

Warren Balogh/Ahab

Full Haus

Western Chauvinist

Borzoi

Defendants' Twitters and Telegrams

Jason Kessler Telegram Twitter

Matthew Parrott Twitter Telegram Telegram Substack

Richard Spencer Twitter

Christopher Cantwell Telegram

Defendants I don't have links for: Matthew Heimbach, Andrew Anglin, National Socialist Movement, The League of the South.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Two livestream podcasts happening today:

Today at 5:30pm EST, Warren Balogh and Tim Murdock will be doing a livestream on White Rabbit Radio

Today at 8:30pm EST, The People's Square will be live with Spectre and Striker

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Livestreaming podcast happening right now

Keith Woods, Joel Davis, Eric Striker

Livestream happening at 10pm (EDT I assume)

Jason Kessler on the Killstream

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Did you see this part Markimus from the third day?

She also said the defendants never expected their planning communications to be seen in public or a court room, but then later argued that they communicated using codes – “front stage and backstage communications” - to hide their intent if it was made public.

Now where have I heard that argument before? Maybe in connection with a certain WW2 event?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah lol jews have one playbook that they try to apply to literally everything and always have.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks mate.

Trial Day 3 is up now on NJP: https://national-justice.com/charlottesville-trial-part-iii-day-highs-and-lows-plaintiffs-and-defendants-opening-statements

Also if anyone is interested legalinsurrection.com is following the Rittenhouse trial which I think is also still in jury selection.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This part from day VI had me howling: https://national-justice.com/current-events/charlottesville-trial-part-vi-plaintiffs-attorney-monopolizes-day-interrogating

“There was a total divorce between yourself [Spencer] and myself in the lead up,” Heimbach said. “I’ve always viewed you as a bit of a dandy.”

Spencer paused and said, “Ok.”

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

lol, I can imagine exactly how Spencer would have said that, would've been funny as fuck to see it

Striker, Keith Woods and Joel Davis are streaming right now if you wanna catch it.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Danke.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is Richard Spencer going to testify against Kessler, Anglin, and TRS?

This could satisfy the petite Fuhrer's lust for revenge. His retribution at the plebs who dared question his divine leadership.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's an egomanic but he's not retarded, anything that hurts any single defendant compromises everyone. It's in the interest of everyone to at least be somewhat on the same side.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://jasonkessler.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Cantwell-Opening-Statement.pdf

Transcript of Cantwell's opening statement which I think is a good tactic for him.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Shut up, ni**er

end of page 10 for the reference

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'd give anything to have heard it in the court room.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Slightly OT but is anyone following the Rittenhouse trial and did you see that the ADA -- who seems to be totally incompetent and losing horribly -- was wearing a Star Wars Rebel Alliance pin on the lapel of his jacket? Our ruling class is evil, stupid and fucking cringe all at once.

[–]DisgustResponse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any way to make donations to the defendants?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Verdict read by court clerk in Sines v. Kessler:

1st claim (pertaining to whether the defendants conspired to commit racially motivated violence): no verdict

2nd claim (pertained to whether the defendants had knowledge of a conspiracy for racially motivated violence and failed to prevent it): no verdict

3rd claim (civil conspiracy, did plaintiffs prove it): yes

3rd claim proven as to: all defendants

Potential damages for first 3 claims for each plaintiff (on claim 3) - $1 or $0 for all plaintiffs

Punitive damages against Jason Kessler, Richard Spencer, Christopher Cantwell, Robert 'Azzmador' Ray, Nathan Damigo, Eliott Kline, Matthew Heimbach, Matthew Parrott, Michael Hill, Michael Tubbs - $500,000 each

Punitive damages against Vanguard & League of the South, Identity Evropa, TWP, NSM - $1 Million each

Eliott Kline, Richard Spencer, Robert 'Azzmador' Ray, and Christopher Cantwell found liable for racial intimidation (claim 4)

Natalie Romero & Devin Willis awarded 250K in compensatory damages

Spencer, Kline, Ray, Cantwell - liable 200k in other damages

Liability found against James Alex Fields Jr. in claim 4

$0 awarded to all plaintiffs under claim 4, no punitive damages awarded.

Claim 5 - assault and battery - several plaintiffs awarded compensatory damages:

  • Natalie Romero $217,715

  • April Muniz $108,000

  • Thomas Baker $318,575

  • Elizabeth Sines $0

  • Marissa Blair $200,000

  • Marcus Martin $157,0000

Punitive damages - $6M against James Alex Fields

Claim 6 - intentional infliction of emotional distress - plaintiffs awarded compensatory damages:

  • Natalie Romero $155,715

  • April Muniz $50,000

  • Thomas Baker $250K

  • Elizabeth Sines $50K

  • Marissa Blair and Marcus Martin (we missed the amounts clerk is reading v fast)

Claim 6 - $6M additional punitive damages against James Ales Fields

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Unfuckingbelievable.

If and when they appeal, they must, and move the venue and get an honest judge, this will be laughed out of court. Did they even admit the police report? Of course how could we see the trial since THIS one was hidden for fear people would hear the defendants themselves and [insert FBI "whole Jew thing" meme here].

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

How are the defendants going to address the primary claim found throughout news articles, that there was a conspiracy through the numerous online messages collected?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Name the online messages you think are proof of a 'conspiracy' with malice aforethought to commit violence.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Basically what was part of the whole Discord/Daily Stormer thing - it's up in the air right now with Lipstadt's role in the trial.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Deborah Liptstadt? What's her role? Haven't heard anything about that.

Also Anglin has been given a default judgement. He's not part of the trial now.

Edit: Looked it up. Great, unbiased expert witness who I'm sure will spend half the time talking about the Irving trial.

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Apparently Lipstadt signed on as witness, primarily to analyze symbols, tropes and perceived intents of the UTR protesters.

Yes, I do know. Still it's other people associated with the network that are on trial right now, and the rhetoric is still on display today. The prosecution's people are questioning the marcated line between these posts being "just a joke" and serious threats as well.

https://gab.com/UTR_Updates/posts/107214873672378598 "There is a great deal of Azzmador material being submitted into evidence. They're still in July reading from the Discord chats."

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455995281217146891 ("they are scum", "they deserve their fates" messages)

https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1455529452633567232 (Daily Stormer - "self-deprecating humor to hide their true feelings")

There's more of it down Molly Conger's feed. Kessler/UTR Updates do a good job, but there's still another side to the story to explore and neither have been as detailed with these sorts of messages.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a cat lady responding with outrage to spicy talk. The case is about proving a criminal conspiracy on the part of the defendants to go to UTR and commit racial violence. Nothing in any sane society referenced there proves that at all. But we don't live in a sane society so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The Lipstadt inclusion is a disgrace. She's a fucking Professor Of Jewish Studies for God sake. What possible expertise can she provide in this case? I think the plaintiffs might be so out of touch that they think that due to her participation in the Irving trial she'll be able to dazzle the jury as a celebrity witness. Meanwhile no one but 'Nazis' and Jews have even heard of the rotten old witch and definitely no one on the jury will care.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

she's the one that made up the holocaust

[–]Fonched 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well yes, most of it is ad-hominem, but I am still mining these threads for other interesting arguments they make. Still I don't quite know about the whole thing about something being either a joke or serious (as example, the whole PewDiePipeline video making an argument for all our humor leading to such action).

I will admit that the inclusion of Lipstadt speaks volumes about the prosecution however.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Please note that the recording of the trial audio is prohibited.

OMG we wouldn't want to break the law

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course we wouldn't, they will happily give a nationalist a life sentence for some kind of conspiracy for doing this. Laws are always enforced selectively.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jason Kessler talks to Greg Johnson for a few hours: https://counter-currents.com/2021/11/counter-currents-radio-podcast-no-387-jason-kessler-on-the-charlottesville-trial/