Biden's cabinet Jews: a topic that doesn't get enough coverage. Garland (Garfinkel), Mayorkas, Klain, Blinken, David Cohen (CIA), Haines / Neuberger (cyberspying), Yellen, et al.

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[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Most of the Jews I know/knew didn't know the first thing about politics, like I used to be. I didn't even begin to learn what the Israel-Palestine issue was about until I was 28-30 years old in 1999 or 2000. If they even had an opinion, like your Gallup poll, it was likely the opinion they were told to have - like being a victim cuz muh Holocaust.

Since then I suspect many of them have matured. I also suspect most of their children are as clueless as their parents once were, now focused on video games, sports ball, or other shit - Left, Right, ambiguous, or none.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I think you're relying too much on your own personal experience with Jews and ignoring the data being presented Carswell. I also think you've encountered quite an odd subset of Jews. I've barely any known any in my life but one Jewish family lived next door to my grandmother when I was growing up and they were hyper political and very, very left wing but also very pro-Israel.

Like you though these are just my personal experiences and don't really show the broader picture which is that nearly all Jews are Zionist in one way or another. In fact the only major debate with Jews in terms of Zionism I can see is whether they pursue a more Labour or Likud version of Zionism but Jewish Nationalism itself isn't up for debate just the methods.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I also think you've encountered quite an odd subset of Jews.

Not at all.

Besides my uncle-in-law (with my half & half "Cline-Abrahams" cousins) who's lived and worked as an ichthyologist across Canada, now a university dean of science in Newfoundland, I've known countless friends, lovers, co-workers, bosses, employees, associates, and people who are Jewish in Windsor, Toronto, Ottawa, Manhattan, Austin, Nevada, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, and Victoria.

For some it's an identity, only a few practiced their customs, and only a few claimed "victim", but for many if not most I would not have known if it hadn't come up some how, often after months or years. At the time I didn't give a shit, just like I don't discuss my heritage unless asked. I wouldn't be surprised to learn there were more who didn't share that info with me. Knowing what I know now, I still wouldn't care - unless it affected their actions.

 

A Lot More Jews Are Anti-Zionists Than You Think

~ Joel Swanson, August 30, 2019

Nineteen out of twenty American Jews are Zionists.

At least, that’s the perception you would get if you read the breathless coverage of a recent Gallup poll about American Jewish political attitudes. The fact that the poll found that 95% of American Jews “have favorable views of Israel” was cited by a variety of commentators as evidence that Jews skeptical of Zionism as a political ideology are confined to a noisy but small fringe in our community, that all the talk about the rise of leftist Jewish groups like IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace is just that: talk. Jews may well disagree with certain policies of the state of Israel, the argument goes, and they may even disapprove of the Netanyahu government, but the Gallup Poll proves what we’ve known all along: Most American Jews are good, loyal Zionists, supportive of the existence of the state of Israel as a Jewish state, and anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jewish voices can be confined to the radical fringe where they belong.

Not so fast...

Source for more: https://forward.com/opinion/430535/a-lot-more-jews-are-anti-zionists-than-you-think/

Posted: /s/Zionism/comments/8iht/opinion_a_lot_more_jews_are_antizionists_than_you/

 

Looking that up, TIL:

"There is a marked difference between non-Zionism and anti-Zionism. A non-Zionist may challenge the theoretical underpinning of the concept of an 'ingathering of the exiles' in an independent Jewish State. If Jewish, he or she will not choose to live in Israel, nor will he approve or reject the notion of other Jews living there in the Jewish State of Israel (...) but anti-Zionists do not find it sufficient to be dissatisfied with a decision made and implemented a long time ago. They are not content with a critical assessment of the situation confined to an historical (and, accordingly, a theoretical) framework. Not merely do they have an adverse opinion about the establishment of Israel in the past, but they contest the legitimacy of Israel as a State in the present time and the future."

Anthony Frosh has defined a non-Zionist Jews as a Jew "who does not have any particular political relationship (positive or negative) with the State of Israel, or at least little more of a relationship than they would have with some other 3rd party state."

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Zionism

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Jewish_anti-Zionism

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    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Weird. You dont normally come across conspiracy nuts with a hardon for Jews, seeing as how the tribe has been involved in so many horribly destructive conspiracies over the years/centuries and some extremely destructive ones presently. Sure there are some individual Jews who are decent people and speak out against some of their coethnics behavior, but lets not go overboard with the gushing. You are going to ruin saidit as a brand.

    I don't understand.

    Are you saying I'm a conspiracy nut?

    Are you saying I have a hardon for Jews or am gushing - or defending them?

    Are you conflating Jews and Zionists?

    Are you confused about my message? Most Jews are normal sheeple, who do what they're told, including supporting their ruling class, for always worse. Like everyone. Zionism is the problem, and most at the top are Jewish and they use their minority status as an excuse - but really it's the corrupt power that's the problem.

    I don't see how this ruins SaidIt's brand.

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      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Are you saying I'm a conspiracy nut?

      Yes

      How so?

      Are you saying I have a hardon for Jews or am gushing - or defending them?

      Yes

      Which?

      Most people and thus most Jews are not attractive, but some certainly are enough for a hardon.

      What you say is correct, almost "gushing" about Jews.

      So the idea that the vast majority are just pig ignorant to all the crazy shit their fellow assholes get up to doesnt square with reality.

      I never said anything like that. But I would even concede to what you're inferring - silence is complicity. Just as under our tyrannical governments are complicit if we don't shout out about corruption when we learn of it.

      Your alleged anecdotal experience doesnt really mean anything.

      Then who's opinion matters at all and why are you arguing against a null? Whatever your answer, it doesn't count, because your opinion is meaningless and moot anyway.

      Whatever problem I have with Jews has nothing to do with

      Agreed. I don't even have a problem with them. I have issue with their brainwashing (not all buy it), their leadership (not all support it), their supremacy philosophy (not all buy it), and their actions (not all do it), including covering for the power and malevolence of Zionism.