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[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Them being Zionist is more important than being Jewish. You can argue about whether there are good Jews or not (I think most Jews are decent, but most are also brainwashed, like everyone else), but you'd have to be dense and/or a shill to say there are any good Zionists.

/s/Zionism is new.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

95% of jews are Zionists. The 5% non-Zionist jews are mostly the ultra religious jews that think the anti-Christ needs to come and enslave the goyim before they have a holy land to return to.

So there's a section of that remaining 5% who are potentially not totally crazy psychopaths, maybe a total of 3% of all jews if we're being extremely generous.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I've known a lot of Jews. Very few of them were Zionists much less anything remotely political.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Gallup poll showed 95% are Zionists

Additionally, 95% of Jews have favorable views of Israel, while 10% have favorable views of the Palestinian Authority

They were probably just not open with you about their views because you're cattle a goy.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Most of the Jews I know/knew didn't know the first thing about politics, like I used to be. I didn't even begin to learn what the Israel-Palestine issue was about until I was 28-30 years old in 1999 or 2000. If they even had an opinion, like your Gallup poll, it was likely the opinion they were told to have - like being a victim cuz muh Holocaust.

Since then I suspect many of them have matured. I also suspect most of their children are as clueless as their parents once were, now focused on video games, sports ball, or other shit - Left, Right, ambiguous, or none.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I think you're relying too much on your own personal experience with Jews and ignoring the data being presented Carswell. I also think you've encountered quite an odd subset of Jews. I've barely any known any in my life but one Jewish family lived next door to my grandmother when I was growing up and they were hyper political and very, very left wing but also very pro-Israel.

Like you though these are just my personal experiences and don't really show the broader picture which is that nearly all Jews are Zionist in one way or another. In fact the only major debate with Jews in terms of Zionism I can see is whether they pursue a more Labour or Likud version of Zionism but Jewish Nationalism itself isn't up for debate just the methods.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I also think you've encountered quite an odd subset of Jews.

Not at all.

Besides my uncle-in-law (with my half & half "Cline-Abrahams" cousins) who's lived and worked as an ichthyologist across Canada, now a university dean of science in Newfoundland, I've known countless friends, lovers, co-workers, bosses, employees, associates, and people who are Jewish in Windsor, Toronto, Ottawa, Manhattan, Austin, Nevada, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver, and Victoria.

For some it's an identity, only a few practiced their customs, and only a few claimed "victim", but for many if not most I would not have known if it hadn't come up some how, often after months or years. At the time I didn't give a shit, just like I don't discuss my heritage unless asked. I wouldn't be surprised to learn there were more who didn't share that info with me. Knowing what I know now, I still wouldn't care - unless it affected their actions.

 

A Lot More Jews Are Anti-Zionists Than You Think

~ Joel Swanson, August 30, 2019

Nineteen out of twenty American Jews are Zionists.

At least, that’s the perception you would get if you read the breathless coverage of a recent Gallup poll about American Jewish political attitudes. The fact that the poll found that 95% of American Jews “have favorable views of Israel” was cited by a variety of commentators as evidence that Jews skeptical of Zionism as a political ideology are confined to a noisy but small fringe in our community, that all the talk about the rise of leftist Jewish groups like IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace is just that: talk. Jews may well disagree with certain policies of the state of Israel, the argument goes, and they may even disapprove of the Netanyahu government, but the Gallup Poll proves what we’ve known all along: Most American Jews are good, loyal Zionists, supportive of the existence of the state of Israel as a Jewish state, and anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jewish voices can be confined to the radical fringe where they belong.

Not so fast...

Source for more: https://forward.com/opinion/430535/a-lot-more-jews-are-anti-zionists-than-you-think/

Posted: /s/Zionism/comments/8iht/opinion_a_lot_more_jews_are_antizionists_than_you/

 

Looking that up, TIL:

"There is a marked difference between non-Zionism and anti-Zionism. A non-Zionist may challenge the theoretical underpinning of the concept of an 'ingathering of the exiles' in an independent Jewish State. If Jewish, he or she will not choose to live in Israel, nor will he approve or reject the notion of other Jews living there in the Jewish State of Israel (...) but anti-Zionists do not find it sufficient to be dissatisfied with a decision made and implemented a long time ago. They are not content with a critical assessment of the situation confined to an historical (and, accordingly, a theoretical) framework. Not merely do they have an adverse opinion about the establishment of Israel in the past, but they contest the legitimacy of Israel as a State in the present time and the future."

Anthony Frosh has defined a non-Zionist Jews as a Jew "who does not have any particular political relationship (positive or negative) with the State of Israel, or at least little more of a relationship than they would have with some other 3rd party state."

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Zionism

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Jewish_anti-Zionism

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    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Weird. You dont normally come across conspiracy nuts with a hardon for Jews, seeing as how the tribe has been involved in so many horribly destructive conspiracies over the years/centuries and some extremely destructive ones presently. Sure there are some individual Jews who are decent people and speak out against some of their coethnics behavior, but lets not go overboard with the gushing. You are going to ruin saidit as a brand.

    I don't understand.

    Are you saying I'm a conspiracy nut?

    Are you saying I have a hardon for Jews or am gushing - or defending them?

    Are you conflating Jews and Zionists?

    Are you confused about my message? Most Jews are normal sheeple, who do what they're told, including supporting their ruling class, for always worse. Like everyone. Zionism is the problem, and most at the top are Jewish and they use their minority status as an excuse - but really it's the corrupt power that's the problem.

    I don't see how this ruins SaidIt's brand.

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      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      This is also reflected in Israeli politics as well. United Torah Judaism makes up 5% of the vote share, and if you exclude Arab parties they're the only non-zionist party, and even if you read their publications, Haredi jews tend to be pro-Israel, and the only faction of them that is openly anti-zionist is Satmar, they oppose zionism because it's heresy and rebellion against god, like it's forcing Redemption faster than God prescribed it to be. They even say pursuit of Zionism brought holocaust upon them as divine punishment lol

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Exactly. There's also that somewhat eccentric and fringe Torah Judaism group that meet with ahmedinijad and such and who oppose Zionism. I think they're quite admirable in a way but when you think about it they're really just Zionists in waiting who don't think the messiah has yet arrived therefore Zionism for now is jumping the gun. If this messiah they wait for actually came they'd fully support a Jewish state in the middle east.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      Define Zionist. I know lots of Jews too and they're all deep down, ethnocentric Jews. They're all obsessed with "The" Holocaust.

      Also, Kevin MacDonald who's arguably done more research on Jews than any non-Jew, clearly states that it doesn't matter if the vast majority of Jews aren't political, there's a very large, very wealthy set that are hyper-political and absolutely despise "fellow" Whites (not "fellow Whites", but actual Whites). They know and fear that antisemitism, which comes from nowhere at all, is just around the corner and therefore they must divide and conquer, or else another pogrom, for no reason at all. That is, for no reason at all Whites will attack Jews, so they must attack first, or Whites may attack them for no reason at all.

      They are clearly the most innocent people on the planet, it's amazing. Almost as if they are God's chosen people.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      Define Zionist.

      Good but moot point.

      Good article. TIL about the Bengal famine. He could have mentioned the Holodomor, Hellstorm, etc.

      IMO, MacDonald's claims of Jewish superiority are just propaganda with selective reinforcement. Failing forward/upward is all too common but not exclusive to Jews.

      https://infogalactic.com/info/Kevin_B._MacDonald

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Kevin MacDonald is the most important counter-semitic academic of his age. I actually just got through reading his entire trilogy of books for the second time and they're so amazingly important and full of knowledge. I've also had the pleasure to meet the man and shake his hand and trust me he's a lovely and very sincere man.

      What utter rubbish that he's part of some plot to reinforce 'Jewish superiority'. If you'd actually read his books you'd never say anything so laughable. Have you ever read Occidental Observer or Occidental Quarterly? Trust me the main theme there isn't exactly 'Jewish superiority' it's more like Jewish pathologies.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      What utter rubbish that he's part of some plot to reinforce 'Jewish superiority'.

      I didn't say he was part of that plot.

      It's the Jews, Zionists, and their corporate media, among others, that push this idea of Jewish supremacy and Ashkenazi brain power rather than explain all their Nobel Prizes and Academy Awards and Election victories as selective nepotism.

      However, according to that article he supports the concept by providing a rational for it...

      " MacDonald's most controversial claim is that a suite of traits which he attributes to Jews, including higher-than-average verbal intelligence and ethnocentricism, have culturally evolved to enhance the ability of Jews to out-compete non-Jews for resources. "

      That article is largely the same as it was in 2016 when copied from Wikipedia, where the article has changed since. I wonder if you think the 2016 article was erroneous.

      Jewish pathologies.

      Genetically and/or culturally inherited?

      [–]EuropeanAwakening14 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Bullarky.

      [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      Do you know many Jews personally or just the Zionists you see on TV?

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      most don't know any jews, but that is why most support israel.