The most annoying thing about the Chappelle controversy is the amount of idolatry he is getting from conservatives.

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[–]proc0 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What's happening is that the Right gets ultra-censored, and there is almost no platform for any even remotely conservative entertainer, film-maker, or what have you. So when someone on the Left who has a platform somehow sneaks in a few minutes of a much needed pushback against Clown World, people are responding positively because they're starved of any cultural victories.

What is the solution? We probably need a conservative YouTube, that is just as big, and an alternative Twitter, that is just as big, at least. This will allow some content from the Right to make it to the NPC sheep, and then I think people like Chapelle will be ignored even if they say a couple funny lines pushing against the woke. Indeed, I think we would have full standup shows destroying trans agenda... there is so much material for comedians right now, if the platforms didn't censor as much.

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Also often times a comedian has a greater effect on the cultural zeitgeist than a politician or a phlisopher. He can get away with saying things because it's just a joke. I feel like the ultimate punchline he made with his joke was saying that being a tranny is like a white person wearing blackface paint, I laughed at that but it also made me see a perspective on why black people don't like black paint, it's a caricture of them. If it wasn't funny it wouldn't have spread so much thru the media.

I go to comedy clubs some times, small time up and coming comedians, unlike in corporate media they can and do tell non PC jokes including making fun of both trannies and black people. Some of it is funny and some isn't though.

Even back hundreds of years ago the jester had an important place in the court.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

he made with his joke was saying that being a tranny is like a white person wearing blackface paint

Yeah with that joke either I missed something or that wasn't a fair comparison. One is pretend and the other is not. Trans movement is literally upset at people who won't go along with their fabricate reality. Blackface is either a joke or just pretend, which could be mean or not like everything else, however it was all blown up for political purposes, I guess, since clearly it was fine less than a couple decades ago. Now everything has been re-racialized and I guess Chapelle is ok with that, even though comedians should lead the way in not being so PC and easily offended. So what if it's a caricature? Banning it only guarantees its survival into the future. Once people do blackface again it will be a thing, whereas before it was almost forgotten.

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it's like, most of us a regular straight man, or straight woman. We see a tranny and get offended, why? Because it's in our face and disgusting, we wouldn't care if it was just done behind closed doors like if a guy dressed up like a woman in the privacy of his own home, who would care, it's weird but it'd be just his personal business. But it's up in our face and annoying. If it was just a joke or pretend, how is that so, how is it funny, it's just annoying and offensive, no joke there, no punchline. Sometimes in the past you'd have a comedy movie and a man is dressed up like a woman, haha I guess, I don't laugh though, I must not be the audience that is kind of joke is meant for! But I'm not going to try to censor or outlaw comedy where a guy dresses up like a woman, but I do kind of feel like any actor or comedian that does that is a hack and I'd hope the capitalist marketplace of ideas does not support that guy, that is not censorship it'd just be an unfunny comedian not getting work.

With black face I can see the similarities. In all honesty I never understood why that was a thing, is it funny, why did people back in the 1920s think it was so funny and cool to see a white minstrel in black face telling jokes or singing. I can see why a black man might be offended by it because I'm offended by a tranny pretending to be a woman.

[–]proc0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We see a tranny and get offended

I personally don't. They can do whatever, it's irrelevant... but that's what they hate. They don't want to be irrelevant, they want to be the center of attention, and they want to make sure your thoughts align with their thoughts, so you can't think they're not the gender they say. (and to be fair, there is something to be considered there, but it has more to do with psychology than politics as it is now).

The problem is impossing it on the culture at large, and doing so through people's goodwill to not offend anyone. There is no parallel to blackface that I can see. One is kind of political movement changing the world, and the other is just dressing up as someone else. I guess blackface could be compared to drag... but even that is a stretch. Blackface is simply a costume.

I never understood why that was a thing, is it funny

Same here, I never saw it as funny at all. Is it funny to dress up as a skeleton or a werewolf for halloween? It's just a costume, nobody actually thinks you are that. We can see even the PM of Canada did a blackface (but it was just a costume), because it was really not a big deal until people made it a big deal (and even then they selectively apply the consequences, which proves to me it is political to some extent).

If I'm charitable here, I think it's possible that it has to do with the history of black people, and how it's lighter skin people were the oppressors and are now mocking the oppressed. But this goes into all the politics of it, and how it has been revived (again, this was fine a couple decades ago), but the main point here is that there isn't much of parallel between a costume and a whole ideology that changes the definition of gender.

I'm offended by a tranny pretending to be a woman.

So yeah, I think the offense might come from them actually trying to be a woman, not just the dressing up part.

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If a man is dressing up as a woman, wearing a dress, why is he doing that. As a halloween costume? Just for joking around? It's not funny. Just wrong. We have an innate gag reflex when we see it, we know it's wrong, just some things are insticntual, it can't be explained any further than saying it's wrong. Do we need big govt to come in and outlaw it? No, but we as a society can and should ostracize them. That is cancelling, the problem with cancel culture is it cancels the wrong things right now. It should cancel trannies but not strong men who state facts, just common sense. Why do some conservative people that wore black face get cancelled but not Trudeau the guy in chrge of Canada? He should be cancelled for being an idiot, what he wore to a halloween party years ago isn't as important but it does help to show he is a hypocrite that doesn't care about black people so it is just one thing he should be criticized for.

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If a man is dressing up as a woman, wearing a dress, why is he doing that. As a halloween costume? Just for joking around

Ok I guess this is where we disagree. I don't think the dress up part is wrong necessarily... it's the fact that they're being serious about it AND demanding everyone else take them just as seriously.

If you're offended by just the dress up part, then I can see how you feel blackface is also offensive. I wouldn't care for either, it's just that only one of those demands I partake in the false reality (psychology aside), while the other is just parody (sometimes it's actually offensive, but that says something about the person doing it, not the act of dressing up as some other race).

And yes, if the outrage was more consistent that would at least prove is not also a political weapon.