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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You survey a sample of people.

That's not objective data. That's personal opinion and means someone is alleging a crime has been committed. Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed? We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's fantastic and means I can't just say 'ActuallyNot' is a pedophile without evidence. There's actually no way to truthfully claim 'most rapes aren't reported' because the only way in any reasonable society to determine if a rape has occurred or not is by subjecting the claim to proper scrutiny. Personal opinion does not mean a rape has necessarily occurred.

I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

No you said "If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know." In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias. It doesn't work like that. You make the assertion, and you back it up. You don't ask people to disprove your own claim with evidence. And another point about your quote about Black rape is that you're doing the exact same thing. You're saying 'how do you know my totally speculative and evidence free assertion isn't happening???'. You seem to not understand the basics of debating.

But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

It's not my claim -- I'm sure it's true though -- but I'm sure if Mustard can be bothered he'll look that up for you and prove it true.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This is the same user that didn't believe me when I told him blacks we're responsible for America's high gun crime rates. I showed him a credible article that proved young black men literally get shot 20x more than young white men. He believes it is because racist white people drive to the ghetto, shoot blacks, then leave, without being prosecuted, as an explanation, lololol. He's playing dumb. Dont bother.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system. Fucking waste of time.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system.

I see you've misunderstood.

In this post, when I said "This is not part of the justice system", the meaning is that the random survey of who has been raped is not part of the justice system, and therefore the presumption of innocence doesn't apply. No one is going to jail. The meaning is not "the presumption of innocence is not part of the justice system".

Fucking waste of time.

Quite.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You should be a little clearer then. Also that just proves my original point that it's absurd to say you know how many rapes are occurring that aren't reported. Unless you subject a claim of rape to the scrutiny the justice system would you can't know if one has occurred or not which is why your initial statement -- of course again you cite no evidence of these claims of unreported rapes -- is nonsense.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should be a little clearer then.

I think it was pretty obvious.

Also that just proves my original point that it's absurd to say you know how many rapes are occurring that aren't reported.

How does it prove that, do you claim?

Unless you subject a claim of rape to the scrutiny the justice system would you can't know if one has occurred or not

The Justice system has racial biases. A well designed survey doesn't. There's a lower standard of proof, but at least you could, conceivably, compare black on white rapes with white on black.