Black Man Rapes Woman on Public Train, Media Complains People Stood by and Watched

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

A large problem with rape in particular is that a small minority are reported.

How could you possibly know that and how can anyone objectively determine whether a rape has occurred without evidence or a trial? Are you basing this on self-reporting?

If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know.

It doesn't work like that, freindo. If you're making the allegation of bias you have to prove it and not sit there and ask for evidence against your own as of now evidence free assertion.

Victims of Daniel Holtzclaw said that they didn't report being raped by him because "I didn't think anyone would believe me. I'm a black female."

Yeah who would believe a Black woman who reported a rape. Look at how the awful racist White media and law enforcement completely denied that Tawana Brawley and Crystal Magnum of the Duke Lacrosse incident were raped. No one in the country would do ANYTHING because no one believes a Black woman if she says she's been raped by racists or a frat. /s

You seriously aren't in touch with reality.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How could you possibly know that and how can anyone objectively determine whether a rape has occurred without evidence or a trial?

You survey a sample of people.

If you're making the allegation of bias you have to prove it and not sit there and ask for evidence against your own as of now evidence free assertion.

I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

As part of my request for a source on the claim: "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same."

I didn't "allege" anything, friendo. But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You survey a sample of people.

That's not objective data. That's personal opinion and means someone is alleging a crime has been committed. Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed? We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's fantastic and means I can't just say 'ActuallyNot' is a pedophile without evidence. There's actually no way to truthfully claim 'most rapes aren't reported' because the only way in any reasonable society to determine if a rape has occurred or not is by subjecting the claim to proper scrutiny. Personal opinion does not mean a rape has necessarily occurred.

I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

No you said "If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know." In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias. It doesn't work like that. You make the assertion, and you back it up. You don't ask people to disprove your own claim with evidence. And another point about your quote about Black rape is that you're doing the exact same thing. You're saying 'how do you know my totally speculative and evidence free assertion isn't happening???'. You seem to not understand the basics of debating.

But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

It's not my claim -- I'm sure it's true though -- but I'm sure if Mustard can be bothered he'll look that up for you and prove it true.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed?

Generally you don't track them down, no. That would be a lot more expensive study that a random survey.

We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

This is not part of the justice system.

In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias

Either there is or there isn't. There's anecdotal evidence that race is a barrier to reporting rapes, as I have linked to.

It needs evidence on both sides. But he hasn't even shown his evidence for "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same." Yet, so lets leave the discussion of reporting bias until we understand the data he's referring to, as that will affect its relevance.