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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

How could you possibly know that and how can anyone objectively determine whether a rape has occurred without evidence or a trial?

You survey a sample of people.

If you're making the allegation of bias you have to prove it and not sit there and ask for evidence against your own as of now evidence free assertion.

I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

As part of my request for a source on the claim: "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same."

I didn't "allege" anything, friendo. But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

You survey a sample of people.

That's not objective data. That's personal opinion and means someone is alleging a crime has been committed. Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed? We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's fantastic and means I can't just say 'ActuallyNot' is a pedophile without evidence. There's actually no way to truthfully claim 'most rapes aren't reported' because the only way in any reasonable society to determine if a rape has occurred or not is by subjecting the claim to proper scrutiny. Personal opinion does not mean a rape has necessarily occurred.

I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

No you said "If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know." In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias. It doesn't work like that. You make the assertion, and you back it up. You don't ask people to disprove your own claim with evidence. And another point about your quote about Black rape is that you're doing the exact same thing. You're saying 'how do you know my totally speculative and evidence free assertion isn't happening???'. You seem to not understand the basics of debating.

But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

It's not my claim -- I'm sure it's true though -- but I'm sure if Mustard can be bothered he'll look that up for you and prove it true.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

This is the same user that didn't believe me when I told him blacks we're responsible for America's high gun crime rates. I showed him a credible article that proved young black men literally get shot 20x more than young white men. He believes it is because racist white people drive to the ghetto, shoot blacks, then leave, without being prosecuted, as an explanation, lololol. He's playing dumb. Dont bother.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

He mods the same subsaidit that socks always promotes (he is the headmod), they're probably alts of the same guy or just upper middle class urbanite friends that watch CNN 24/7.

AmericanMuskrat is another mod from there that likes to troll this place in the exact same style socks and ActuallyNot does too. They're probably friends or alts of the same guy.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Lel, Muskrat is extremely transparent about a ton of things, even to a somewhat disgusting degree.

Did you guys start menstruating? What the hell is up with these witch hunts? They're different than the usual.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Lol yeah the community just one day for no reason at all decided to irrationally attack these people!

Where have I heard this narrative before?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

You're starting to haul in the normals now. It's irrational.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

What's normal about making completely nonsensical assertions and feigning incredulity when proven wrong, poking the bear and then reporting people who take the bait etc?

This sounds like good faith debate to you? I hope you're not actually this naive, I'd hate to think what kind of things women will do to you if you're unable to see flags this bright red.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

You're going to have people here with opinions that don't sidle up with yours, even among your own group. I'm not arguing the validity of some of your known and notorious trolls from your previous peddit spot. I'm pointing out that you're making irrational assumptions of users here being alts of other users because they're trolling. Reporting is a retarded copout either way, should be reserved for bots.

I hope you're not actually this naive, I'd hate to think what kind of things women will do to you if you're unable to see flags this bright red.

Nice. Are you trying to insult my masculinity?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I'm pointing out that you're making irrational assumptions of users here being alts of other users because they're trolling.

Maybe level up your reading comprehension. I simply said they're trolling, which they are. I said they could possibly be one guy with alts like the other user due to the similarity between their trolling styles. It is not irrational because it's well informed and it's not an assumption because I assumed nothing, I simply stated a possibility.

Nice. Are you trying to insult my masculinity?

No. I literally said exactly 1:1 what I meant, that you're naive if you think people trolling for >1 year are honest actors. Again, level up your reading comprehension.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

My personal opinion is that saidit DAR needs to be cleaned up. It's a debate sub, so dissenting opinions should be welcome, but users who visit the sub only to troll or mostly to troll, fill the page space with walls of nonsense. With so few legit users, a handful of trolls and their alts can consume our sub. This is what has happened. The altright loves to debate, but not with intentionally obtuse, intellectually dishonest trolls. If we want to grow this sub, the trolls like u/socks and these others have to go. Look at his comments. It's bait, after bait, after bait.

Banning u/ayotollahsinran and his various alts was a good start, but it just riled up the rest of the trolls. Look at how triggered they got from his doxxing and ban.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree with you, the admins here like taking the side of trolls over the userbase though which makes it difficult to ban people without them coming for our sub.

If we want to ban people we have to have basically endless examples of them doing egregious shit, even then magnora7 might just randomly ignore it all and declare that we're the real trolls and they're innocent victims of us. Funny how much the situation parallels anyone who ever defends themselves from jews, almost as if that's exactly what's happening.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, thanks for at least cutting down on some of the noise by getting rid of that sexual weirdo.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The only troll in the attacks on that user was you, which is what I pointed out. You did not respond much to his initial comments and instead focused only on your attacks of him. It also doesn't matter who he is, if we're all supposed to be anonymous. Trying to ban people just because you don't like them is juvenile. Live and let live.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ayotollahs turned out to be a salos alt. This was proven here. Ayotollahs is now banned according to the mods. You're welcome.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say that's pretty good evidence. I tried to follow the arguments and evidence, but initially didn't see anything odd, and I felt sorry for this wierdo who seems to have mommy issues, and wanted to defend him, because this seemed like a witch-hunt. Congrats on your instincts and research.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

users who visit the sub only to troll or mostly to troll, fill the page space with walls of nonsense. With so few legit users, a handful of trolls and their alts can consume our sub. This is what has happened.

I could go to reddit if I wanted to browse garbage. (Which I don't)

Either stop feeding the trolls, or keep feeding them, depending on what kind of results you want.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system. Fucking waste of time.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess we've been watching too much cops?

🎵🎶 Nobody now give you no break Police now give you no break Not soldier man give you no break Not even you idren now give you no breaks Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?🎶🎵

"All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system.

I see you've misunderstood.

In this post, when I said "This is not part of the justice system", the meaning is that the random survey of who has been raped is not part of the justice system, and therefore the presumption of innocence doesn't apply. No one is going to jail. The meaning is not "the presumption of innocence is not part of the justice system".

Fucking waste of time.

Quite.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You should be a little clearer then. Also that just proves my original point that it's absurd to say you know how many rapes are occurring that aren't reported. Unless you subject a claim of rape to the scrutiny the justice system would you can't know if one has occurred or not which is why your initial statement -- of course again you cite no evidence of these claims of unreported rapes -- is nonsense.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You should be a little clearer then.

I think it was pretty obvious.

Also that just proves my original point that it's absurd to say you know how many rapes are occurring that aren't reported.

How does it prove that, do you claim?

Unless you subject a claim of rape to the scrutiny the justice system would you can't know if one has occurred or not

The Justice system has racial biases. A well designed survey doesn't. There's a lower standard of proof, but at least you could, conceivably, compare black on white rapes with white on black.

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    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Who?

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This "same user" you are talking about.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How do you know it isn't?

    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed?

    Generally you don't track them down, no. That would be a lot more expensive study that a random survey.

    We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

    This is not part of the justice system.

    In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias

    Either there is or there isn't. There's anecdotal evidence that race is a barrier to reporting rapes, as I have linked to.

    It needs evidence on both sides. But he hasn't even shown his evidence for "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same." Yet, so lets leave the discussion of reporting bias until we understand the data he's referring to, as that will affect its relevance.