Black Man Rapes Woman on Public Train, Media Complains People Stood by and Watched

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    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (115 children)

    In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same.

    Do you have a source on that one?

    There are no white guys driving around to molest black girls.

    How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?

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      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (113 children)

      A large problem with rape in particular is that a small minority are reported. Contributing to this problem is that a tiny minority of reported crimes end in a prosecution.

      If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know.

      I do know that there are instances of under-reporting of rape of black women by white men. Victims of Daniel Holtzclaw said that they didn't report being raped by him because "I didn't think anyone would believe me. I'm a black female."

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (74 children)

      LOL you make up some fake story about white men raping black women then the only example you can find is someone who isn't even white. Hilarious level of talmudry ya got there rabbi.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (73 children)

      I point out that in at least some instances black women don't report rape because they feel that being a black women, they won't be believed.

      I mention this because a source is coming from /u/Mastermustard03 for his claim that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same.", and the data is going to be difficult to interpret if it is convicted rapes, or even reported rapes.

      But let him know that half-white half-Japanese is not white. He'll have to show that they are almost always raped by other half-white, half Japanese people.

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (72 children)

      Those rapes are obviously by black men, it's true the vast majority of rape has the victim and perpetrator being the same race.

      As for the nonsense about black people apparently thinking they won't be believed for being black just fucking lol. Did you just wake up from a 150 year coma? Black people can record white people and get their lives ruined, when the white people have done literally nothing. Black people routinely get away with crimes, up to murder, against white people.

      There are exactly zero black people who believe they're discriminated against in America for being black, and coincidentally also exactly zero black people being raped by white people. Whereas there's tens of thousands of black on white rapes every year.

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        [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Stats

        Only one woman went to the police about Holtzclaw. Only once he was charged did the other women come forward. 13 willing to testify. That's 12 that that didn't think they would be believed, but strong enough to go through the process, once it was clear that there would be an investigation.

        And this has what to do with black people thinking they're oppressed by white people? The case doesn't involve any white people and it's a case of a pig abusing his power, it has literally nothing to do with race relations at all.

        What the fuck are you smoking?

        Reality, you should try it when you turn off the television. Look at crime stats and the new institution of 'Karening' random white people. It's very easy to see that blacks know they're being given license to do what they want in America. They're even getting away with murder (18 year old black murdered a 16 year old white by stabbing him to death and got away with it due to the white supremacist system covering its tracks or something!!11!). You would know this if you were informing yourself on reality instead of just watching jewish television and films that tell you that up is down.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        They're even getting away with murder

        Did you read the link?

        The kid got away with self defence. Do you think that you shouldn't be able to defend yourself when you're attacked?

        [–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (64 children)

        ActuallyNot, image links have been mirrored for your convenience, because your globalist tyrannical scum "government" (Australia) censors/bans 4pleb and you're too scared to get a VPN and learn:

        Zero should be interpreted as near zero. White on black rape has been extremely low for a long time. The reverse disparity has been getting worse. In other words, the following sampling ranging back to 1996 is now misleading, but even then it's still damning:

        Now adjust for population sizes during those time periods. The black population is around 13%. The real figure depends on interpretation with mixed kids inheriting various related genes/traits influencing this subject at higher rates but I must digress for simplicity.

        Picture this crime curve:

        Except for interracial rape the curve is exponentially more up the hockey stick.

        Black men rape a lot of white women. The reverse is rare. This isn't rocket science.

        This is more for readers, not ActuallyNot given that he's a globalist sycophant bullshitter.

        /u/Markimus if you want these related chart links.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (63 children)

        https://i.ibb.co/Ks0yPrj/interracial-rape-crime.jpg JPG

        Thanks for this image. I'd be more interested in data directly from the source. Some there's less chance of the person interpreting the data making a mistake.

        https://i.ibb.co/Dbsd0Cr/interracial-rape-crime-1996-2008.jpg

        This image has a pretty bad maths error.

        (271,224/24,304)/5.75 is about 1.9, not 64. Did you make this image yourself? Did you hope I wouldn't do the aritmetic?

        Picture this crime curve: https://i.ibb.co/t3ghCkf/interracial-crime-violence-1.png Except for interracial rape the curve is exponentially more up the hockey stick.

        The x-axis isn't even numeric. The categories be put in any order. The curve is meaningless. What do you claim the exponenial equation is then, genius?

        Black men rape a lot of white women. The reverse is rare.

        Not exactly. You've only presented data for convictions. Black men are convicted of raping white women a lot. The reverse is rare. (But given the laughability of the analysis on these images, I'd feel more confident if you linked to the source.

        This isn't rocket science.

        And yet some numbnuts still got the arithmetic out by more than an order of magnitude and thought that a curve is an intelligent way to graph interracial violence ... not at a time series, on top of a bar chart of the fucking categories.

        The stupidity of racists is the overwhelming take-home here.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

        A large problem with rape in particular is that a small minority are reported.

        How could you possibly know that and how can anyone objectively determine whether a rape has occurred without evidence or a trial? Are you basing this on self-reporting?

        If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know.

        It doesn't work like that, freindo. If you're making the allegation of bias you have to prove it and not sit there and ask for evidence against your own as of now evidence free assertion.

        Victims of Daniel Holtzclaw said that they didn't report being raped by him because "I didn't think anyone would believe me. I'm a black female."

        Yeah who would believe a Black woman who reported a rape. Look at how the awful racist White media and law enforcement completely denied that Tawana Brawley and Crystal Magnum of the Duke Lacrosse incident were raped. No one in the country would do ANYTHING because no one believes a Black woman if she says she's been raped by racists or a frat. /s

        You seriously aren't in touch with reality.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Don't let cases of women blowing shit out of proportion or even lying for the sake of retaliation obscure your view. I can honestly say that out of the many women that I've known, there's not been many that haven't at minimum experienced some level of molestation. That's not considering cases of women that will bring it up in an extremely awkward way, like where you can tell that they've got some degree of BPD going on and go off on a weird tangeant at social gatherings almost.. pridefully? It's so off and disconnected, and has happened in several different instances, and very much akin to attention-seeking tactics. My old male friend group had a lot of cluster B female orbiters though. Anyhow, yeah-- you'll see a bunch of these cases in the media, but that's not a realistic gauge for what's actually happening. Rape brings on a shame that a number of women would rather ignore than have to psychologically come to terms with and seek out the justice system for.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

        How could you possibly know that and how can anyone objectively determine whether a rape has occurred without evidence or a trial?

        You survey a sample of people.

        If you're making the allegation of bias you have to prove it and not sit there and ask for evidence against your own as of now evidence free assertion.

        I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

        As part of my request for a source on the claim: "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same."

        I didn't "allege" anything, friendo. But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

        You survey a sample of people.

        That's not objective data. That's personal opinion and means someone is alleging a crime has been committed. Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed? We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's fantastic and means I can't just say 'ActuallyNot' is a pedophile without evidence. There's actually no way to truthfully claim 'most rapes aren't reported' because the only way in any reasonable society to determine if a rape has occurred or not is by subjecting the claim to proper scrutiny. Personal opinion does not mean a rape has necessarily occurred.

        I asked "How do you know that it's not that there's no black mothers reporting rapes of the daughters by white guys to the police, because the police are, in some areas, hostile to the black population?"

        No you said "If you're aware that race doesn't bias the reporting of child molestation, show me the data that supports that: Because I'd be interested to know." In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias. It doesn't work like that. You make the assertion, and you back it up. You don't ask people to disprove your own claim with evidence. And another point about your quote about Black rape is that you're doing the exact same thing. You're saying 'how do you know my totally speculative and evidence free assertion isn't happening???'. You seem to not understand the basics of debating.

        But if you're going to allege that "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same", you need to supply the evidence, for your as of now evidence free assertion.

        It's not my claim -- I'm sure it's true though -- but I'm sure if Mustard can be bothered he'll look that up for you and prove it true.

        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

        This is the same user that didn't believe me when I told him blacks we're responsible for America's high gun crime rates. I showed him a credible article that proved young black men literally get shot 20x more than young white men. He believes it is because racist white people drive to the ghetto, shoot blacks, then leave, without being prosecuted, as an explanation, lololol. He's playing dumb. Dont bother.

        [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

        He mods the same subsaidit that socks always promotes (he is the headmod), they're probably alts of the same guy or just upper middle class urbanite friends that watch CNN 24/7.

        AmericanMuskrat is another mod from there that likes to troll this place in the exact same style socks and ActuallyNot does too. They're probably friends or alts of the same guy.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

        Lel, Muskrat is extremely transparent about a ton of things, even to a somewhat disgusting degree.

        Did you guys start menstruating? What the hell is up with these witch hunts? They're different than the usual.

        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        My personal opinion is that saidit DAR needs to be cleaned up. It's a debate sub, so dissenting opinions should be welcome, but users who visit the sub only to troll or mostly to troll, fill the page space with walls of nonsense. With so few legit users, a handful of trolls and their alts can consume our sub. This is what has happened. The altright loves to debate, but not with intentionally obtuse, intellectually dishonest trolls. If we want to grow this sub, the trolls like u/socks and these others have to go. Look at his comments. It's bait, after bait, after bait.

        Banning u/ayotollahsinran and his various alts was a good start, but it just riled up the rest of the trolls. Look at how triggered they got from his doxxing and ban.

        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system. Fucking waste of time.

        [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I guess we've been watching too much cops?

        🎵🎶 Nobody now give you no break Police now give you no break Not soldier man give you no break Not even you idren now give you no breaks Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do?🎶🎵

        "All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law"

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        He just literally told me that there's no such thing as presumption of innocence in our legal system.

        I see you've misunderstood.

        In this post, when I said "This is not part of the justice system", the meaning is that the random survey of who has been raped is not part of the justice system, and therefore the presumption of innocence doesn't apply. No one is going to jail. The meaning is not "the presumption of innocence is not part of the justice system".

        Fucking waste of time.

        Quite.

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          [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Who?

          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Do these surveys also interview the alleged rapist and ask them their opinion about whether a rape has been committed?

          Generally you don't track them down, no. That would be a lot more expensive study that a random survey.

          We have this wonderful Anglo-Saxon tradition of juris prudence where you're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

          This is not part of the justice system.

          In other words you asked the other guy to disprove your evidence free assertion of bias

          Either there is or there isn't. There's anecdotal evidence that race is a barrier to reporting rapes, as I have linked to.

          It needs evidence on both sides. But he hasn't even shown his evidence for "In almost every case, the race of the victim and the perpetrator are the same." Yet, so lets leave the discussion of reporting bias until we understand the data he's referring to, as that will affect its relevance.

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I'm not going to deny that there probably is a fear of being ignored with a number of rape cases. I recall talking to my grandmother about some rather fucked up situations where victims were chastised into staying silent for the sake of the man's family, even. So it wouldn't surprise if a black woman would be afraid of speaking up about rape from a white man. Rape isn't necessarily an attraction driven violence, and outside of that there are plenty of white men attracted to black women. However Daniel Holtzclaw is half Japanese, and would be considered a poc outside of the context where he's a criminal or it's convenient.