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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Assuming you can divide the alt right up into a few groups: groypers (trad cath), neo reactionaries (barely alt right), southern nationalists, alt right libertarian, TRS naz bol squad, BAP classists, Uncle Tedittes, and neo nat socs what group do you think Evola would support? What group do you think he'd criticize?

Also are there any white nationalist writers and speakers in the last 70 years or so that most closely mimics Evola's ideas? Bowden? Pierce? Duke? Metzger? Yockey? I don't know much about Evola so I'm trying to figure out how he fits into modern white nationalist belief structure (if there even is a consistent modern white nationalist belief).

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Evola deeply valued inner strength, personal autonomy, sobriety and anti-materialism. I believe that he would support whoever can live up to those ideals. It is very difficult for me to think of practical examples, since he has criticised many things and every political subculture I know of today subscribes to at least one element he would object to.

Also are there any white nationalist writers and speakers in the last 70 years or so that most closely mimics Evola's ideas? Bowden? Pierce? Duke? Metzger? Yockey? I don't know much about Evola so I'm trying to figure out how he fits into modern white nationalist belief structure (if there even is a consistent modern white nationalist belief).

I can't think of anyone that holds the same ideas. From the ones you named, I think Bowden and Yockey probably come closest. Bowden had actually drawn on Evola's work and even given lectures on Evola, but to my knowledge he was most interested in the Nietzschean element. I have not read Yockey's Imperium, but as far as I am aware, Evola had a mixed opinion on it. Yockey's views are centred in the ideas of culture, civilisation and ontology, so he comes a lot closer to Evola's anti-materialism than most, but he still does not affirm Evola's transcendent values.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what Evola wrote about Yockey /u/send_nasty_stuff. Chapter 16 of Post-War Reflections, page 274.

I agree that Bowden and Yockey are most similar to Evola too.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Assuming you can divide the alt right up into a few groups: groypers (trad cath), neo reactionaries (barely alt right), southern nationalists, alt right libertarian, TRS naz bol squad, BAP classists, Uncle Tedittes, and neo nat socs what group do you think Evola would support? What group do you think he'd criticize?

I think he would have been more positive towards GRECE/continental New Right. Then maybe TRS/NatSoc but he'd probably think they're doomed and wasting their time particularly with mass/populist organising etc something similar to the Richard Spencer view of NJP, the rest I don't think he'd have any interest in at all.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for your insights. Everytime I try to read the guy I get lost. So I'm basically doomed to learning about him through third parties.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This website is great, his articles are generally way easier to understand than his books.

Men Among the Ruins is quite easy to read too and is his most relevant book politically.

His two articles about the SS 'The SS, Guard & Order of the Revolution of the Swastika' and 'A Castle of the Order' are great and they're not really complicated.

I haven't read it yet but I think the 'Fascism and Tradition' book is probably good and somewhat digestible too, it's a compilation of his books, essays, and articles describing and critiquing the fascist movements. If you can't find it online I can upload it for you. If you want it just let me know.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks Markimus. I will check that stuff out.