Dissident right-sympathetic billionaires

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Are there any?

There's Peter Thiel, who is usually classified as a libertarian, but is friends with Curtis Yarvin and some of the NRx/BAP crowd, and is said to have a higher power level than he lets on.

There's also Trump...I think we all know the story there LOL.

Then there's William Regnery II, who is a bit obscure, but helped bankroll AmRen and other groups back in the day, though last I heard he had taken a step back from activism.

Who else could there be? Of course given the current situation, being explicit about supporting the dissident right is a very difficult position to take for public figures, but I could imagine there are secret admirers.

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (44 children)

The only real answer should be Henry Ford, who died 74 years ago.

He tried to keep America out of the first world war, and warned the second was also a waste of time (for America getting involved).

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

Henry Ford also built the USSR's automotive industry and profited greatly from it. He was a capitalist, not a white American crusader.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

He figured Stalin would set the Soviet Union on a better course since he wasn't Jewish. And he wasn't really wrong in that assumption.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, but Ford was involved in many countries and made a lot of money from foreign investments. He was, as I said, a capitalist. If he were alive he wouldn't support the dissident right unless he could profit from it.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (40 children)

He was, as I said, a capitalist. If he were alive he wouldn't support the dissident right unless he could profit from it.

Capitalism in itself is not evil. It's what you do with the money that counts.

You're aware he used his own money to fund a newspaper that advocated keeping America out of the world wars while questioning Jews, right?

In fact, the only reason it's not circulating today was because he was forced to close it by you know who (as well as other cucked Whites back then).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Action_by_the_Anti-Defamation_League

The trial prompted the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) to begin a concerted effort to oppose the Independent. An ADL-led coalition of Jewish groups led the charge, and raised objections to Ford's writings in the Detroit press. The ADL also organized a boycott of Ford products, which was supported not only by Jews, but also by several liberal Christian groups. In December 1927, Ford gave in and abolished the paper. News reports at the time quoted him as saying he was shocked by the paper's content and unaware of its nature. Ford also wrote a public letter to ADL president Sigmund Livingston recanting his antisemitic views.[20] Ford's 1927 apology was generally well-received: "Four-Fifths of the hundreds of letters addressed to Ford in July 1927 were from Jews, and almost without exception they praised the Industrialist." While most of the major national Jewish and non-Jewish newspapers accepted Ford's apology, many local Jewish papers rejected it.[26] In January 1937, a Ford statement to The Detroit Jewish Chronicle disavowed "any connection whatsoever with the publication in Germany of a book known as The International Jew."[26] According to Pool and Pool (1978), Ford's retraction and apology (which were written by others) were not signed by him (rather, his signature was forged by Harry Bennett), and Ford never privately recanted his antisemitic views, stating in 1940: "I hope to republish The International Jew again some time."[27]

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Yes I am aware of his newspaper and what happened to it. This isn't an issue to me but it's also not related to my point. His pacifism related to the world wars was respectable but contrary. He still profited from manufacturing military equipment in both world wars and, in the example I provided already, he profited from the automotive industrialization of the USSR, which he did in China and India as well. Which goes back to my previous statement, if he were alive, he wouldn't support the dissident right unless there was money in it.

Capitalism in itself is not evil.

Yeah ok

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, Ford also didn't fund the NSDAP or anything of the sort. He was woke on the JQ but that was it, never did anything outside of publishing his book to affect any resistance to international finance; rather, he helped them to win the war by industrialising countries controlled by them.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

Yeah ok

I have my own critiques of Capitalism, but I'm not going to pretend it's the worst thing ever when the alternative system (i.e Socialism) always comes in second place.

Instead of hating on Ford for trying to increase his wealth (since everyone in life wants to make money, and we can't survive without it either), be upset that modern day Conservatives continue to hoard their wealth without doing anything ambitious with it.

If anything, Liberals see through this strategy. Companies like Walmart or Microsoft get away with spreading their globohomo message because there are no right-wing challengers to outspend them on it.

Edit: The only way I see Socialism succeeding, is when Robots automate all labor, or we use eugenics to select for high IQ humans. Anything else, and the system always stagnates.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

You're missing my point. The leftist philanthropists and billionaires are also ambitious people. The same capitalistic drive in Henry Ford can be seen in people like Bill Gates or George Soros. The difference is that the latter actively engage in political efforts because they are ideologically committed. They would never invest in white communities or movements because they hate us. Ford, on the other hand, had his political positions but did absolutely nothing to protect or promote pro-white movements in the US and played both sides in the conflict to maximize his wealth at our expense. As Markimus said, he never funded the NSDAP or any other nationalist movements, even ones in the US, and caved pretty quickly when he was pressured on his newspaper. Just being woke on the JQ doesn't mean anything, and I'm willing to bet he wasn't aware of the severity of the problem in the first place.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Nobody said Capitalism couldn't be exploited by the Left. That said, it's still a better option to have since Socialists have no where the same amount of power as Billionaires do. And with that, they will always stay a grassroots movement without some form of revolution.

As Markimus said, he never funded the NSDAP or any other nationalist movements,

Ford was an American, and being true to his isolationist principles, it would be a bit contradictory to get involved with other nation's politics (let alone, drag the U.S into it). However, there where actual rich Germans in his place who donated to the NSDAP instead.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

However, there where actual rich Germans in his place who donated to the NSDAP instead.

Nope

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Your viewing things as if the only two options are capitalism & (marxist) socialism. It’s a false dichotomy.

Both are evil, & alternative systems were proposed and implemented in the early 20th century such as in Italy & Germany that absolutely did function better than either, to the point where the communist & capitalist world superpowers had to team up to destroy this small group of Fascist nations & almost lost.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Germany & Italy at their height, never had the same industrial or GDP capacity as the U.S. In fact, both Germany and the Soviet Union combined still fall behind the USA in productivity.

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II#Gross_domestic_product_.28GDP.29

So yes, we are still arbitrarily stuck with the two systems. It's unlikely to end until either robots enter mass production, or eugenics makes everyone high IQ and removes our biological desire to "want more stuff".

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your brain is stuck in liberal materialist thinking, yes the superpowers that spanned continents produced more stuff & their oligarchs were richer, so what? Would you honestly really choose the liberal west as a place to live over a society like what Germany and Italy had in the 1930’s? What kind of nationalist are you?

Fascist Italy had 20 years before war destroyed them, Germany even less than that, they did great things with what time they had though.

So yes, we are still arbitrarily stuck with the two systems.

You have to be really unimaginative or historically blind to believe this. Systems change & societies collapse all the time. And sorry but this will happen to the capitalist west too, probably soon. I don’t know what will replace it but as a nationalist I can hope.

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gdp doesn't matter

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are there any?

No

There's Peter Thiel, who is usually classified as a libertarian, but is friends with Curtis Yarvin and some of the NRx/BAP crowd, and is said to have a higher power level than he lets on.

This is just funneling support into the GOP by trying to make mainstream rightism have some kind of masculine and heroic elements. The exact same thing was done in the 80s with Ayn Rand dogshit, BAP and those like him are just trying to be the new Ayn Rand for the GOP.

Then there's William Regnery II, who is a bit obscure, but helped bankroll AmRen and other groups back in the day, though last I heard he had taken a step back from activism.

He died in July

Who else could there be? Of course given the current situation, being explicit about supporting the dissident right is a very difficult position to take for public figures, but I could imagine there are secret admirers.

The not rabidly anti-white billionaire company I know is Redbull, but I don't think they're based at all. More just like they don't care about libtard shit. That's the best you will find really. William Regnery was the only Patron Theory candidate and he wasn't really doing much but funding a few websites and conferences.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

BAP and those like him are just trying to be the new Ayn Rand for the GOP.

If even 10% of BAP's ideas penetrated the GOP it would be worth looking at again. I doubt that will ever happen though. There is no 'subverting' the GOP. That idea has to die.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The GOP as an institution is one of those Native American shapeshifters that eats souls and then assumes the form of another person.

It took the form of psuedo-heroic lolbert nonsense of Ayn Rand in order to devour white people's souls. When it changes form into the pseudo-heroic homoeroticism of BAP, or the Catholic Integralist stuff it's flirting with, or national populism, or Multiracial Working Classism etc it will still always be the same demon looking to devour white people's souls.

None of these institutions can ever be reformed, they need to be replaced.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'll take BAP over Ayn Rand any day of the week.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

His Trump cucking dramatically lowers my opinion of him.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since we're going Bronze Age let's make a nice autistic example.

You are a sailor and you hear the singing of a siren, you are well aware of what a siren is. You call out and tell her you know she is a siren thus effectively neutralising her ability to sway you, she reveals her true form to you which is horrific. She asks you if you want to swim with her do you:

A) Jump in and swim with her (get eaten by the GOP)

B) Tell her to assume her prettier form (BAP version of the GOP, still get eaten)

C) Tell her no thank you, I know what you are.

Lesser evilism is choosing to be eaten by the siren just as long as she looks attractive to you.

[–]DisgustResponse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He died in July

Doh. Can't believe I missed that.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think Vincent Bolloré might actually be sympathetic to a lot of our ideas. He's the French media magnate who propelled Zemmour to fame on his CNEWS show. It's compared to Fox News but it's actually far more radical and intelligent than literally anything on Fox.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is Vincent Jewish or married to one?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I honestly don't know. He does call himself a TradCath.

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Vincent Bolloré

Bolloré was born in Boulogne-Billancourt. He attended the Lycée Janson-de-Sailly, before graduating with a business degree from Université Paris X Nanterre. Bolloré started his career as an investment bank trainee at Edmond de Rothschild.[3]

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So?

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Possibly Richard Heart. He was on JF's show and he seems to value truth over being PC. He also went to school with a lot of niggers as a child.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They are out there. Silence is a strength.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Millionaires, sure. Billionaires? I highly doubt it

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I kniow some

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personally?

WTF are they spending their money on? Making more money?