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[–]lokke767 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Whites should have stayed tribal and never left Europe

That ship has sailed a long time ago, why lament yourself over something that is irreversible.

He was one of the most disastrous people who ever lived.

For native-American civilizations probably, yes. But from the point of view of Europeans Columbus' actions didn't lead to disaster, quite on the contrary. Whites at some point in the 19th century constituted 1/3 of the world's population, up from the usual 10~15% before the age of imperialism. Things didn't start to go south for the West until the late 19th century, I would say. To assign the responsibility for the current degenerate state of affairs to Christopher Columbus is a stretch.

Colonialism and proto-globalism wasn't based.

Expanding your people's living space is not only based, it is arguably a natural impulse of any tribe/group. Imperialism is actually inevitable. The romanticization of tribalism is also the epitome of naive reactionary thinking. What exactly do you believe would have happened if Europeans had stayed 'tribal'? That's right, the European tribes would eventually have been overrun (as they were in Italy, Gaul and Spain, for instance), either by a civilized power or by the hordes from the East. Complex Civilizations last longer, are more stable, and less mobile, than tribes.

Marrano Jew

These idiotic and baseless accusations of Jewishness happen all too often here and make us look stupid.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

This reminds me of why Eugene Montsalvat was 100% in his autopsy on the alt right back in 2016. Originally, "alt right" was supposed to mean a third positionist movement that would introduce people in the English speaking world to people like Alain de Benoist, but it ended up just meaning old-fashioned colonialist white nationalism. The only interesting person in the alt right was Heimbach so he got treated like shit and driven out.

I notice you didn't address the miscegenation issue. Are you one of those people who think that when men race mix it's based because it's "conquest"? You have an Asian wife by any chance?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Originally, "alt right" was supposed to mean a third positionist movement that would introduce people in the English speaking world to people like Alain de Benoist, but it ended up just meaning old-fashioned colonialist white nationalism.

You got it the other way around. The alt-right's main focal point used to be race realism/human biodiversity, the JQ, and being unapologetically pro-white (which also means being at least open to, if not outright supportive of, the idea of bringing back some form of white colonialism and global white hegemony).

In recent years, however, the alt-right has seen an ever-increasing (probably mostly astroturfed) influx of retards, schizos and shills injecting it with ridiculous LARP ideologies that suvbert the alt-right's original white nationalist character and intentions, and in many cases would be even explicitly harmful to white racial interests (i.e third worldism/Duginism, Islamism/"white sharia", primitivism/luddism, flat earth theory, boomer cuckservative religious fundamentalism, incel/anti-woman views, etc.).

Furthermore, it's kinda ironic how the very same people who most strongly hold the views you hate the most about the alt-right, such as Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer, are actually the ones who in part originally founded the alt-right to begin with.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This is nonsense. David Duke has been doing non-supremacist pro-white stuff for decades with the framing of human rights activism, this was always very popular. "A homeland for every race, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans" etc was always way more common than Richard Spencer's imperial ambitions. This is a massive retcon by you.

Alt right was a big tent descriptor for everyone pro-white, and even broader than that until Charlottesville lol. Both isolationists/nativists and white supremacists were included. You both are talking out of your arses pretending it specifically referred to one particular strain. Especially when it used to be such a broad tent that before Charlottesville it included non-racialist classical liberals who just didn't like muh crazy sjws and dumb shit like that.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is nonsense. David Duke has been doing non-supremacist pro-white stuff for decades with the framing of human rights activism, this was always very popular. "A homeland for every race, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans" etc was always way more common than Richard Spencer's imperial ambitions. This is a massive retcon by you.

You're either misinterpreting or deliberately misrepresenting me. My point wasn't that the alt-right used to be fully comprised of people with "supremacist" attitudes, I know it wasn't, but to illustrate how its explicitly white nationalist character got subverted by people who think like OP. It's undeniable that "supremacist" attitudes were much more common in the alt-right before it started getting subverted a couple of years ago.

I have nothing against pro-whites/white nationalists who are non-"supremacist", such as David Duke, but that's totally different from actively pushing for white guilt and ethnomasochism and defacing our history (like OP is doing). By the way, "supremacist" in the way people like you use it is an anti-white slur anyways, which is used to pathologize healthy ingroup preference in whites and whites only. It's perfectly natural to want your race to have power, and among all other races people with strong ingroup preference hold "supremacist" attitudes (often far more extreme than those found among white nationalists), but somehow only whites are supposed to be pacifist isolationists and just let black and brown people dominate the world.

Alt right was a big tent descriptor for everyone pro-white, and even broader than that until Charlottesville lol. Both isolationists/nativists and white supremacists were included. You both are talking out of your arses pretending it specifically referred to one particular strain. Especially when it used to be such a broad tent that before Charlottesville it included non-racialist classical liberals who just didn't like muh crazy sjws and dumb shit like that.

The non-racialist and non-JQ part of the alt-right was never truly part of the alt-right to begin with (just like the previously mentioned retards and shills who've flooded it in recent years), that's the alt-lite and it emerged years after the alt-right itself emerged. A lot of "anti-SJWs" and other alt-liters turned alt-right though, as they watched the alt-lite get BTFO'd by the alt-right in debates (such as the famous Richard Spencer vs. Sargon debate). The alt-right itself was undeniably founded as an explicitly white nationalist movement, considering Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer and ironically enough also David Duke, key figures in the formation of the alt-right, were all explicitly pro-white.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the way, "supremacist" in the way people like you use it is an anti-white slur anyways

If you think white people should rule over others, and actively seek to conquer them to rule over them that is what white supremacy means. There's nothing anti-white about that, if that's what you want then you're a white supremacist.

It's perfectly natural to want your race to have power, and among all other races people with strong ingroup preference hold "supremacist" attitudes (often far more extreme than those found among white nationalists), but somehow only whites are supposed to be pacifist isolationists and just let black and brown people dominate the world.

This is a ridiculous notion, there's no contradiction between having power and not being able to take over the world on a racial basis because you believe you deserve to rule them. Racial and ethnic nationalists believe in self determination as a rule. This has been the case for the 20th century form of revolutionary nationalisms and national liberation movements. The belief that white people have to go out and attempt to rule over foreigners is pretty niche and confined only to capitalism/liberalism/colonialism historically, even then it wasn't really racial or ethnic that was just happenstance; their real motivations were simply economic to feed the bankers funding the various European empires.

The non-racialist and non-JQ part of the alt-right was never truly part of the alt-right to begin with, that's the alt-lite and it emerged years after the alt-right itself emerged. A lot of "anti-SJWs" and other alt-liters turned alt-right though, as they watched the alt-lite get BTFO'd by the alt-right in debates (such as the famous Richard Spencer vs. Sargon debate). The alt-right itself was undeniably founded as an explicitly white nationalist movement, considering Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer and ironically enough also David Duke, key figures in the formation of the alt-right, were all explicitly pro-white.

From 2015-Charlottesville (If you look at the trends, the term only really became a popular thing in mid 2016) these people considered themselves alt right and the vast majority of people viewed them as fellow travelers, alt right roughly meant pro-Trump, Brexit, anti-SJW etc. Before then the alt right wasn't really even much to speak of, it was just a term Richard Spencer used for his website that hosted white nationalist content. The 'movement' only really started to refer to itself as alt right around the time of Trump and stuff. Before then most WNs would just call themselves that and the anti-sjw guys would call themselves rational skeptics and that kind of thing.

I agree they shouldn't have been considered one movement and it's absurd, but to say they weren't is just wrong.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nationalism is not supremacism.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

David Duke is a cointelpro shill who gets free reign to talk on CNN (lol), shilled for Zio daddy Drumpf, and hung out with Alexander Dugin.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Gossip shit stirring shit isn't interesting at all. If you want to convince people who are actually smart about anything tackle their ideas, not just string together schizo insults lmao. Alternatively, take your meds!

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have all the info saved in m posts. Also, take your meds is a classic fallacy that I see a lot of astroturfers spew.

Two of those accusations you know are true, the third you're free to look up.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a fallacy, it would just benefit me. I wouldn't have to see your conspiratard bullshit if you just took your anti-psychotics. It's fine tho I'm just blocking you.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay. Bye, bye little shill. Probably don't even believe Mossad did 9/11.

[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Actually you are wrong. Here is Montsalvat's article: https://attackthesystem.com/2016/05/21/the-alternative-right-an-autopsy/

third worldism/Duginism

Third worldism is based. Duginism is a bogeyman used by neocon ZOG apologists, so it's based too because it makes all the right people seethe.

Islamism/"white sharia"

"White sharia" was a lame meme invented by some neocon ZOGbots and likely glowies on "The War Room", not by Andrew Anglin as is commonly believed. But solidarity with the Islamic struggle against globohomo is based.

primitivism/luddism

Nothing better than destroying the Aryan folk ways, folk soul and tribal culture in favor of globalism, muh progress and capitalist exploitation. BASED!

flat earth theory

Don't care about this, not a muh science fag though

boomer cuckservative religious fundamentalism

You're referring to Fuentes and the Groypers? Yeah they fucking suck. They're also some of the biggest Columbus/colonialism shills.

incel/anti-woman views

I was wondering if you were Brandon Martinez up to this point. Martinez is a hardcore incel but otherwise is on board with your views.

Richard Spencer

He used to be a pro-Russian Duginist who was sympathetic to the European New Right. Now he's just a midwit vaccine shilling liberal and probably a glowie.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Third worldism is based.

Being white but ethnomasochistic is based? If non-whites and governments of non-white countries that are anti-ZOG want to collaborate with us in fighting against ZOG, no problem, but they can't also be explicitly anti-white. Most non-whites however, even the ones who also supposedly hate the Jewish elites, will just laugh at you and spit in your face if you're white and try to pitch the idea of "muh one struggle" to them, and it's honestly laughable for those non-whites to claim to hate ZOG/the Jewish elites while also being anti-white, since anti-white ideology is literally the product of those same Jewish elites they claim to hate in the first place.

Duginism is a bogeyman used by neocon ZOG apologists, so it's based too because it makes all the right people seethe.

"The right people" being people who are unapologetically pro-white? I thought you considered yourself to be pro-white. Neocons are against Dugin because, according to them, Dugin is a "racist" white nationalist who wants Russia to annex Western Europe. People like me are against Dugin because we know he's anti-white, literally the opposite reason from why neocons are against him. The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend, sometimes it's just another enemy.

primitivism/luddism

Nothing better than destroying the Aryan folk ways, folk soul and tribal culture in favor of globalism, muh progress and capitalist exploitation. BASED!

Such a pathethic strawman. Having modern industrial and advanced technology is totally separate from ZOG/globohomo and woke culture. You might as well say that using a AR to defend yourself against a murderer is being pro-ZOG, since ZOG also uses ARs to enforce their power. Being a primitivist/luddite and being pro-white are literally inherently contradictory, since getting rid of technology in white society will both cause mass-death and suffering among whites as well as leave us extremely vulnerable from external attacks. Other intelligent peoples, like the Jews and the Chinese, will never get rid of their technology like you insist us whites should do, so they could just come in and instantly BTFO us if we refuse to pursue the same technological innovations as them. I'm also pretty economically left-leaning, so your claim about capitalist exploitation doesn't make much sense either.

I was wondering if you were Brandon Martinez up to this point. Martinez is a hardcore incel but otherwise is on board with your views.

Isn't Brandon Martinez also unapologetically pro-white? In that case, I'm not really surprised that you equate me to him. I've indeed heard that he's very anti-woman, which is very cringe though.

He used to be a pro-Russian Duginist who was sympathetic to the European New Right. Now he's just a midwit vaccine shilling liberal and probably a glowie.

Funny enough, I also used to like him more in the past, and now don't like him anymore. Is he even still pro-white? He doesn't even come off as pro-white anymore nowadays. And although I disagree with Keith Woods pretty strongly (on mainly the same things I disagree with you), I also think it's very low how Richard Spencer constantly attacks Keith Woods nowadays.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who are some good alt righters that aren't also anti women?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As far as I know, pretty much all of the old guard pro-white alt-right figures, including but not limited to Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, David Duke, Henrik Palmgren and Lana Lokteff, Millennial Woes and Mark Collett, have nothing against women. A more recent example would be CatboyKami. Being both pro-white and anti-woman is inherently contradictory anyways, and I suspect a lot of the anti-women stuff is probably coming from hapa, pajeet and mestizo incels, rather than genuine pro-whites.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering most Jews are from Russian, Dugin is not based and ZOG is even less based. Dugin literally praises rabbis and teh Eurasian Jewish congress and netanyahu and Zionism, if they side with Russian inc.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(i.e third worldism/Duginism, Islamism/"white sharia", primitivism/luddism, flat earth theory, boomer cuckservative religious fundamentalism, incel/anti-woman views, etc.).

These are detriments to white nationalism. Could not have said it better. I also noticed that many astro-turfing 'alt-rightists' largely founded by Jews, always spew fallacies when you mention the JQ, as if it doesn't matter.