Could this stump liberals? Did anti-white hate ever exist before Jewish influence?

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No it has existed without Jews. Abolitionist sentiment in America -- Emerson's quote about the cross and the gallows comes to mind -- often contained nascent anti-white sentiment and gleeful acceptance and even celebration of the coming Black revenge on Whites. Same with revolutionary attitudes towards the Haitian revolt. You could also say there's a definite hint of that fetishization of the 'other' in Rousseau that was planting a seed for the attitudes we see present today. Jews just do it more viciously and with greater zeal than many others have and also have the advantage of being 'one of us' when they make their clearly ethnically motivated attacks against us.

Also I don't believe in the effctiveness of this gotcha strategy when talking to liberals. There's not some perfect rhetorical trap you can use to 'win' them over because all belief systems are fundamentally pre-rational.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also I don't believe in the effctiveness of this gotcha strategy when talking to liberals. There's not some perfect rhetorical trap you can use to 'win' them over because all belief systems are fundamentally pre-rational.

I've honestly never have been able to debate liberals in anything involving race or identity politics, as I largely just kept my mouth shut on the subjects until anti white discourse and Jewish censorship became so great that I felt compelled to finally speak out, and by then it was already too late, Jews were already slamming the door shut on free speech and internet discourse. So I have no idea how they would respond really other than call you a nazi, censor whatever you said and then threaten you.

I know hardcore lefties were actually quite open on the Jewish question, a lot more so than conservatives. I know this because I used to be one of the dipshits that would defend Jews and Israel while lefties were trashing them. Lefties were well aware of Jewish hypocrisy on a host of issues, and at that time were still allowed to discuss them to some degree. All that has changed now and the far left was already being censored and targeted by Jewish activists well before the far right. As I've said before, it was seeing this censorship happen in real time that helped awaken me to Jewish power.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it was seeing this censorship happen in real time that helped awaken me to Jewish power.

No small part for me in coming to terms with that issue as well given it's hard to honestly answer the question 'How does an allegedly marginalized, vulnerable and small minority have the power to destroy everyone who criticizes them?' without coming to the conclusion that the premises in the question are on shaky ground.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I defended Jews and Israel from other lefties because i thought they were like these nerds being bullied by the cool kids. I was totally clueless.

Once Trump got elected Jews showed their true power level and it was quite the wake up call.