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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

There are differences, certain diseases only some races get. We're same species though since we can breed with each other.

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    [–]Noam_Chomsky 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

    Whomever controls the dominant empires at any given time consider themselves biologically superior.

    Modern Northern Europeans haven't evolved biologically since 100 BCE, but they were certainly considered primitive by Roman, or Carthaginian standards.

    Frequently captured, and sold as slaves.

    Blacks and whites being considered the same species is taxonomically dishonest and purely political.

    +70% of blacks in New York are refusing the jab. Similarly low uptake in Africa.

    Arguably the wisest demographic for what really counts.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Fuck the Romans.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    This. Wholeheartedly.

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    What do you think about the "modern" ones?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    They're just spaghetti people now.

    [–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    That monty python stuff is crud, IMO

    [–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yeah. It's not for everyone.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I sort of wish I liked it, just because it has some good satirical parts in it.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    they must be same species then, can call em proto or whatever, they were likely just another race like africans

    [–]MagicMike[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Certainly we’re of the same species. But the point is that modern scientists claim all personal growth and development is Environmental. That being said, 100,000 years of living in a terrible environment (central Africa) favored violent genes over thinking genes. Hence the violence in our cities.

    [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    modern scientists claim all personal growth and development is Environmental.

    The media says that. "The scientists", not so much. It just doesnt matter what the truth is to them

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I do think environment makes a big difference in development. I think central africa is a lush jungle, warm climate, so all africans had to do was go grab a banana and sit in the shade all day. At most they learned to hunt. But they never had a reason or need to learn agriculture. Civilization started in the desert but near rivers. The strongest people moved up north to europe where winters were tough and only the strong survived.

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      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

      I don't even believe race exists, never mind different species

      The typical barrier between species is the ability to produce fertile offspring. So you don't believe that exists? So you think if you go and fuck a dolphin you'll produce a half human half dolphin hybrid?

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

      Yes, but only in very specific circumstances. Each race of man has a corresponding animal they can produce hybrid offspring with, that is their 'spirit animal' so to speak and those who have blood of high enough quality will have always felt a natural kinship to a specific 'spirit animal' of theirs, which signifies their ability to successfully produce hybrid offspring. There are 2 common Aryan lines, the wolf and the bear, each correspond to a haplogroup. The R1bs are werewolves, and the R1a haplogroups are bear men, hence bear cults and the like in ancient European history. The jew doesn't want you to know this, it's why they made bestiality illegal for the goyim.

      The warrior aristocracies were once all animal-hybrids vying for domination of the planet, the Germans for example were notorious for having a LOT of werewolves but most of those able to access their wolf nature got wiped out by the dominant reptile (fun fact: they're actually snakes, not lizards) hybrid race of the jews. At this moment the jew has successfully suppressed all of his competitor races.

      Ever wondered why the wolf has been hunted to almost extinction in Europe and has been extinguished in certain countries, like England for example? jews of course. The jew manipulates climate and habitats to exterminate his competitor races' spirit animals. They got rid of bears and wolves from England because English Aryans were some of the most formidable wolf and bear men. The Aryan woman's proclivity to fuck dogs is blood-memory, her instinctual drive to create powerful werewolf offspring. Unfortunately dogs don't work due to their degenerated nature from their wolf essence.

      Feel free to ask me questions, I am one of the last remaining English 'werewolves' and have access to archives of information from our forebears (this word having bear in is stemmed from the bear line of Aryans, of course)

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      I just figured it out. Markimus is Chateau Autiste.

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      lmao. I have more golden tidbits for you, Ernst Junger was a werewolf hence his quote:

      There are wolves hiding in the gray flock that is - characters who still know what freedom is. Moreover, these wolves are not only strong in themselves; there is also the danger that one fine morning they will transmit their characteristics to the masses, so that the flock turns into a pack. This is a ruler's nightmare.

      He was dogwhistling attempting to reawaken the wolf-memory of his fellow R1b Germans with the right level of blood to regain their wolf nature.

      Saint Patrick in Ireland was actually attempting to safeguard Ireland from jewry when he was eliminating the snakes. Aryan myths about killing serpents and such, all relate to their battles against jews and attempting to remove a source of their power.

      Another one not many people know, you know that particular jewish phenotype that looks like a bird? That line of jews is from Moloch himself who was the first Owl-man hybrid. The ones that look like rats are also another line of jews, they have 3 lines but the dominant one throughout history has been the snake one hence its importance in myths.

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        [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Human is a signifier of species. Saying you don't believe in different human species is tautological. Of course there's aren't different human species given that the term 'human' defines a species.

        Dogs can produce fertile offspring, are wolves and foxes the same species?

        No wolves and foxes can't even breed. Do dog breeds have different capabilities, physical traits, intelligence, susceptibility to certain maladies and psychological differences? That's what every race realist argues about humans and dogs. That's the entire basis of any race realist discussion. If you deny that you're a fool.

        The hybrid of tiger and a tigress is also fertile, are tiger and lions the same species?

        Not usually actually. (Presumably you meant lioness??) They've only ever bred with intense human interference and the offspring are often infertile. There's rare exceptions. What this has to do with anything escapes me.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Actually, your "point" disproves what you state. Tigers and Lions are different species, albeit close ones, since their offspring are always sterile. Same for every other combination you mention. So, "being able to breed" does not define a single species, but "being able to breed and bear fertile offspring" does.

        Therefore all humans are the same species.

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          /ignored, for discussing in ill faith.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          yeah they're all felines or canines

          [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Having ancestry from another closely related species (in a small quantity) is actually incredibly common in lots of animals, including humans.

          "race" "ethnicity" "species" etc are all just human abstracted categories measuring the semi arbitrary genetic distance between one organism and another

          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          yeah there is probably a spectrum, as our genetics gets more different it is les likely we can breed with a species

          studies are showing lately black women have more problems with fertility than white women, of course they say it is due to racism but it could just be their genes are getting more diluted as whites and blacks mix and that is what hurts their fertility, like when a horse and donkey get together and have a mule.

          [–]SoylentCapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Humans can successfully breed with some proto-human hominids as well, that aren't considered to be the same species as homo sapiens sapiens.

          None of those proto-humans are nearly as genetically close to whites as blacks are.

          https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/7uis/plot_of_genetics_of_human_races_chimps_denisovans/

          Blacks and whites being considered the same species is taxonomically dishonest and purely political.

          No it isn't because they're objectively the same species.

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            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            yeah they do look different but for example there are many different colors of horses

            [–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

            *sub-species

            [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            that makes sense, sub species can still breed with each other

            [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            Congrats you've discovered racial realism 101. Medical differences are a good place to start. There's nothing for us really to discuss though. Every racial realist is already familiar with this.

            Do some reading. Alt-hype, Sean last, Steve sailer, raazib khan, e.o. Wilson, Richard Lynn, Phillip rushton and others are a good place to start if you're interested in the topic.

            [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            There's nothing for us really to discuss though. Every racial realist is already familiar with this.

            IMO, if you want a discussion, I would actually attack the "racism" part.

            I made a thread before where I pointed out gender differences are not "sexist" but accepted biology. Race should absolutely fall under the same definition.

            https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/8aod/why_does_race_iq_differences_make_people_angry/

            When words like "racism" or "sexism" are thrown around, it benefits the Left because they get to push a narrative that oppression is somehow linked, or if the people defending gender differences are also supremacists.

            Blacks, Whites, Asians, Browns are different because that's literally nature. We've also seen multiple times, when Whites or Asians are put in the same oppressive environments, they still display higher levels of IQ or nation building. For example, the Soviet Union vs Haiti. Both are poor and malnourished, yet which country flew a man into space? Haiti was also independent longer than the USSR, yet where are any of their scientific contributions?

            [–]MagicMike[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            After the French military left Haiti, the blacks began a genocide against French civilians with beheadings, disembowelment, endless rapings. Consequently, any whiles who could fled and it’s a shit hole.

            [–]AddledCorpse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I've been watching to read/hear about race realism in a more scientific context.

            Can you be more specific in what/where to read? Also, longshot, but any mainstream books that I could find on Audible? Haha

            [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            A great first book for the layman-- which is absolutely what I am too -- that I always recommend is called Troublesome Inheritance by Nicholas Wade. Former NYT science writer so it's very clear and succinct and a perfect introductory text to the issue -- probably even available on audible too!

            After that I'd recommend all the authors I listed in no particular order. Steve Sailer's blog is a good one to follow though not entirely focused on HBD material.

            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Discuss?

            Well, the default view here is "the concept of race is clearly validated by science," simply a product of divergent human evolution. So, youre probably not going to get a lot of dissenting opinions or responses here without asking a pointed question or making arguments against that opinion

            [–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Look at the shithole countries. Look at the middlin countries. Look at the thriving countries. See a difference in leadership. TPTB want to turn America into a shithole country so they can extract more wealth from the backs of the poor before they kill them.

            [–]raven9 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Yes of course the races are different. Everyone can see that. The reason they claim otherwise is not because they actualy believe it. The reason is far more insideous.

            The race lobby forced the issue because they realized if they pushed hard enough society would bend in the name of equality and allow them to claim we are all the same. Once they achieved that, they could claim that as everyone agrees there are no differences in the races then low acedemic scores by one race can only mean one thing - discrimination by the education institutions.

            Do you see what they did? They put education in an impossible position. The teachers know they teach all the kids the same and the real reason for low acedemic achievement by one race is that one race has a low average IQ and a low propensity for paying attention in class. Since society accepted the false 'all races are the same' narrative, they can no longer say that so to avoid accusations of discrimination they are now forced to either buck the scores so all races are seen to achieve the same or dumb everything down to where even low IQ students can pass.

            As this is all based on a fairly recent turn of events the effect that has on a society that has traditionally used educational achievement as the standard by which job applicants are judged for mission critical positions in society has yet to be seen but I think when low IQ students that are incapable of 5th grade math are breezing through the education system and graduating with college degrees that are the credentials for jobs in positions of authority it can only be a bad thing for the rest of society and a power grab for them.

            The next step will be when they start trying to force society to accept the reason for one race's high violent crime rates is discrimination by the criminal justice system.

            [–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            The easiest way to look at racism is to look at shithole countries and good countries. Who has been historically in charge of those shithole countries and good countries. You tell me.

            [–]MagicMike[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Infrastructure (natural) in Central Africa is terrible: the rivers have lots of waterfalls and don’t connect so economic development was minimal. Parasites are everywhere. Malaria is everywhere. Predators are everywhere. Each tribe had/has its own tin pot dictator. It’s hot as hell all the time. Africa is a GHETTO CONTINENT.

            It follows that people from there had to be violent savages in order to survive. (This is one reason why Chicago, for ex, averages one murder every 4 or 5 hours.). So it IS normal to assume the worst; in other words to follow the science and see races for what they are.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (25 children)

            The answer is literally: no.

            [–]block_socks 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            'Abnormal person AMA', and general pseudointellectual lowlife who will get triggered hard by this response.

            You have, of course, regurgitated the answer provided by the Marxist pseudoscience that you have thoroughly and irreversibly internalized. Your constant drivel about the 99%-1% (or 99.9%-0.01%!) comes from Occupy Wall Street—thanks for telling us that you were most likely involved with this gaggle of lumpen lowlives—and is simply the proletarian-bourgeois distinction put in more sanitized terms that do not remind people of the Holodomor, Killing Fields, Qay Shibir, etc. Of course, there is no such thing as the 99.9% or proletariat; for I have far more in common with a 0.01% brother than I do with you or the 99.9% when they do not look or sound like me, nor share my beliefs, nor speak my language, etc. Your Marxisant class reductionism is truly the stuff of fools—it is pathetic to make something as utterly useless as your own relations to the 'means of production' your primary identity. Unlike racial identity, class doesn't even tell one just whose histories one is a product of. And if the 99.9% consists solely of those even remotely as insufferable as you, long live the 0.01%!

            Your answer is, of course, 100% ideological and 0% scientific. For example, if 'scientific neoracism' normalized 'racism' in the West, you would predictably continue to insist that it was merely 'disinformation', 'fake news', 'propaganda', etc. as you have been wont to do with absolutely anything that clashes with your preconceived and unquestionable assumptions, which are incidentally the same as your conclusions. Why continue to believe nonsense at odds with reality? It is because your 'reasoning' comes from Leftist pseudomorality which takes absolute precedence above all else. Your ideology has simply told you what to assume-conclude without giving you anything other than pathetic appeals to emotion.

            Now, we live in an age where we can determine ancestry down to the percentage, something which would obviously be impossible without observable genetic differences between the races. Race denialism is simply pseudoscientific hokum. Chinese and Eastern European scientists overwhelmingly accept the existence of race. They will continue to do so. Your view is (thankfully) a minority outside of the West, and it is important that the West catches up with the rest of the world rather than fall behind as a result of extreme Leftist ideologies that postulate conclusions grossly at odds with non-Western science.

            And all this coming from the same fool who has insisted that 'fascists' cannot be 'intellectual' because the belief that 'ends justify the means' is laughably at odds with (his conception of) intellectualism! This, of course, means that every single Marxist and utilitarian is no longer an intellectual! Now, when you see Marx or Engels, Gramsci, Bentham, Mill and Singer when you arrive down in the Hell in which they are surely dwelling, please be sure to tell them: 'Hey! Hey you! You are not intellectuals!'. I imagine that they will find your presence little more than a bit of comic relief.

            The world has a dichotomous choice between what you call 'Fascism' and barbarism. Your way of life is thankfully coming to an end. You cannot even reproduce your numbers, the hilarious result of the grossly abnormal, immoral and truly twisted pseudo-society that you farcically consider 'progressive'; and it is not long before you will be no longer welcome in a majority non-white Democratic Party. You will be marginalized and replaced real good, and you deserve it. You're likely in your 60's, which means that you will live long enough to see the consequences of your actions unfold.

            Now, don't you commit suicide or overdose any time soon. I want you to live long enough to see this unfold. Man's choice is between 'fascism' or barbarism, but there will be no 'liberalism' or 'socialism' ever again. I hope you live long enough, just to see your way of life end not with a bang, but with a whisper, nay, with a whimper, the result of a non-white's boot planted firmly on every Leftist's head. I for one will not mind if they treat you the way the Haitians treated the French.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            Perhaps I should be honored that you created this account a month ago mainly or initially in order to respond to my posts, at length. But seriously, everything you note not only drags the discourse down the POD in an uncilvil manner (not what Saidit is intended for), and you've spent so much time here parroting the lies that propaganda websites have been pushing, for the benefit of nothing. The gist of your posts is mainly to note the opposite of what I wrote, without any qualification or evidence. This pro-extremist right-wing pro-Big Corp attack is informative of the psychological difficulties faced by extremists. I don't say this lightly: get help.

            [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Smell the roses, socks. No one likes establishment shills except reddit-folk. You claim to hate the 1%? Learn how you are used by them, or, keep banging your head against a userbase that doesn't care.

            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

            I invite you to explain your position

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            There is no scientific way of determining race or ethnicity. Assumptions about this scientific basis were debunked in the early 20th century, whereas journals on eugenics truly believed in this so-called science in the 19th century, some of which was called Social Darwinism toward the late 19th century, but even that was unrelated to Darwin's research. In short, it is not possible to scientifically determine a single race or ethnicity with the help of science or gene analysis, mainly because we're all mixed. Even those of us with ancestors known for consanguinity have mixed ethnic genes. There are no bundles of genes for only whites or blacks or whatever. One can find more by searching: scientific basis for race, or scientific basis for ethnicity (if searching respectable sources). This is a popular subject recently because extremist groups want to promote racism and division for political and financial gain (for the .01%). But there will never be a concensus among scientists on which genes constitute one race or another.

            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Textbook terrible justifications - but Ill pick this apart tomorrow, when i'm soberer. Bad time for race denialist post

            [–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            I feel the need to preface this: Socks, i know we are not on the same team - but i really do appreciate you coming here and taking a swing. You dont look like a shill to me and you are actually willing to go to bat against White Nationalists and put yourself out there - which is more than can be said for 99.99% of our opponents. Your courage is commendable, i salute you for that

            That being said, reading this again, it looks like some NPC fritzed out and vomited every MSM talking point on race they've ever heard of, with no regard to coherency or consequence. In fact, it is so incoherent and non-sequitor that I dont even really know how to respond to it. But i'll try

            There is no scientific way of determining race or ethnicity.

            Have you ever heard if 23&Me? How can there be "no scientific way" of knowing someone's ethnicity or race when a private company just needs you to spit in a tube and will do it for you for like, $50? That makes no sense

            Assumptions about this scientific basis were debunked in the early 20th century

            When/where was racialism "debunked?" This is literally just a thing "people say" but has no real backing to it. At least provide some kind of reference when making such a claim

            whereas journals on eugenics truly believed in this so-called science in the 19th century, some of which was called Social Darwinism

            Ignoring what "journals" at any given time "believed in" - this is a total non-sequitor. "Race" is just about classifying different groups of humans into "subspecies," basically. This has nothing to do with "social darwinism" since the objective acknowledgement of human "races" does not necessitate that certain races be better/worse than others or that public policues must reflect these. Races are just "different"

            toward the late 19th century, but even that was unrelated to Darwin's research.

            "Social Darwinism" wasnt related to Darwin's own research, per se - but its obvious (to us now and people at the time) that the same concepts of natural selection etc. that apply to animals also apply to humans, because we are also animals.

            Saying that you know what "social darwinism" is or its history as a term is not a novel or interesting thing to say to anyone here. Whats more obvious is your (seemingly accidental) conflation of the idea of scientifically-recognized "race" and public policy. "Social darwinism" is just a term that people use to describe certain points of view or public policies (sp. eugenic policies) that were/could be enacted irrespective of "race." In theory, a society could practice "social darwinisim" but not even acknowledge the existence of something called "race" at all. Our society also actively practices eugenics (or "dysgenics", rather) when it comes to welfare, public healthcare, and other policies. So anyone who is a proponent of welfare or public healthcare in any way and does not also employ some kind of reproductive restrictions or eugenics (likley, "you") is engaging in a negative kind of "social darwinism" (dysgenics). But "social darwinism" has nothing to do with "race," necessarily

            In short, it is not possible to scientifically determine a single race or ethnicity with the help of science or gene analysis, mainly because we're all mixed.

            This is just totally false. Self-described "race" and genetic cluster corresponds basically 100% of the time. OP already mentioned the practical relevancy of race in medicine. So wtf are you trying to say?

            Even those of us with ancestors known for consanguinity have mixed ethnic genes.

            Even that is untrue, as this study shows even self-identified hispanics (very mixed) actually cluster very well (80%)

            A lot of white americans also like to pretend they are part "native american" or something - but 23&Me invalidates even this. Using data from 23&me, researchers found that European-Americans had genomes that were on average 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African, and 0.18 Native American.. Especially when we consider people who dont know their ethnic background are more likely to take a 23&Me test, and that this study was done in the US and not Europe, we can conclude that the vast, vast majority of "whites" are only white and nothing else of practical consequence

            There are no bundles of genes for only whites or blacks or whatever.

            Yeah, no, we have the cluster analyses, this is just wrong, sorry

            One can find more by searching:

            No one cares what a bunch of psychologically-damaged cat ladies or malevolent jews in the MSM have to say. Make the arguments yourself here, where they can be responded to in context

            This is a popular subject recently because extremist groups want to promote racism and division for political and financial gain (for the .01%).

            Thats dumb since we (DAR) have no obvious way to make money out of our beliefs and are censored/suppressed relentlessly by the elite, and the idea of "race" is just manifestly obvious to anyone who has lived to see other races. Studying race should be of legitimate scholarly interest and is of consequence to a mutliracial society. Instead, the establishment devotes a ton of resources and money into propaganda saying "race isnt even reall!!1!" so they can continue to import cheap labor and ruin white countries and make them easier to control. The evidence for this is ubiquitous - in education, in media, etc. You are the one doing the bidding of the establishment, not us. And you are doing it for free. Go to a BLM protest and tell them "race isnt real" and let us know how that goes

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Thank you for this detailed assessment. It would seem that part of the misunderstanding is that facts are sometimes conflated with opinion. My responses in this thread have focused on the history of scientific racism (eugenics, which I note was debunked) and the prevailing scientific view of the past century about the impossibility of getting scientists to agree on specific genetic categories of ethnicities. For example, you can indeed use genetic clusters to determine the percentage of caucasian or african, but this isn't the problem. The problem is working with the social construct of race. For example, who will arrange the agreement on the specific genetic percentages of caucasian or other supposedly "white" ethnicities that would determine a person is "white"? Scientists do not agree on how this could be done. See for example the links I posted in this thread:

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1738862/

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26270337/

            https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98485&page=1

            These are not my opinions. I am merely noting what's in the scientific research. DAR (and right-wing propagandists) can take up their interests in re-starting scientific racism with the scientific research papers.

            My view is that we should understand the limitations of science for determining ethnicities and of social constructs like racism. My personal opinion is that we should not work so hard to try to put people in categories, especially because of the ways in which those categories are inevitably misused for unethical purposes. If one wants to argue for the scientific foundation of racism, the responsibility is on that person to provide facts for that argument (rather than opinions), and where possible, note the purpose of the necessity of re-starting eugenics (which was appropriately abandoned in the early 20th century).

            One of the reasons I return to Saidit is to see if there are any interesting debates, especialy regarding factual errors. If there are no debates I won't return. On some days it's rather quiet.

            [–]raven9 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Tell that to the forensic anthropologists that routinely identify the race of skeletal human remains for law enforcement.

            [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            So you've read about this, have you? Perhaps you've read:

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1738862/

            It is maintained in this paper that the successful assignment of race to a skeletal specimen is not a vindication of the race concept, but rather a prediction that an individual, while alive was assigned to a particular socially constructed 'racial' category. A specimen may display features that point to African ancestry. In this country that person is likely to have been labeled Black regardless of whether or not such a race actually exists in nature.

            Or perhaps you've read this:

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26270337/

            Accuracy for these techniques varies from 57% to 95%, depending on the sample and technique used.

            Or this:

            https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98485&page=1

            He says it is the complexity of human variation and its geographical ties that make archaeological finds like the Kennewick Man important to study.

            As you will have seen in these and all other articles on the subject:

            ...there will never be a concensus among scientists on which genes constitute one race or another. (There is too much variation. Anyone who would try to catagorize people into races will have to develop a system that determines which percentages of each potential ethnicity or geographic origin would apply, and in any event, this the data is far too complex to make any sense, and the categories would remain social categorizations, not reliably scientific.)

            [–]Richard_Parker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            That is absolute bullshit.

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              [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

              If you have an an arguement, try to make one here, provided by evidence. Merely dragging down the discussion with an attack is pathetic, and not what Saidit is for.

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                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

                At least you're making an effort here, but you've not properly addressed the OP's argument and my response to it (regarding science), which if you'll remember was not dragging down the discussion, whereas you want the social construct of race to be treated as though it were a science, and people treated as though they're breeds of dogs. The concept is obviously untenable, on several levels.

                [–]Yin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                whereas you want the social construct of race to be treated as though it were a science,

                Genetics is real. It is science. Biology is science. Humans are the product of genes, hence the "social construct" of observable "races" is genetic.

                This is obvious to everyone whose goal isn't to mislead.

                and people treated as though they're breeds of dogs.

                Races ("breeds") of dogs is an accurate analogy to races of humans. Your use of the word "treated" in that sentence is subtly attempting to falsely portray what I said as the equivalent of implying that my intent is to "treat humans as though they're dogs" in general, which is not the case.

                The concept is untenable, on several levels.

                No it isn't. Humans are animals. If you don't understand that and can't comprehend the fact that biology is scientifically measurable (often science lagging behind in what it's able to measure physically), then you're engaging in political deception.

                Your propaganda tactics fail.

                [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                Your still avoiding the facts regarding the science of genetics and assessments of ethnicity. (Scientists could never agree on this kind of data, because everyone is somewhat mixed.) Read the rest of the thread and stop this nonsense.

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                  [–]AidsVictim69 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  mainly because we're all mixed.

                  You really believe this discredits the idea of race. Just stupid as hell lmao.

                  [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Racism can't be based on science. Eugenetic and biomedic can. For pure eugenetic perspective, there could be cases where is good to mix races, if some particular members of different races have good genes. A byproduct of such line of thought is the claim, by some members of this forum, that it would be a good idea to keep in america the "high iq blacks". As a matter of fact, racism is derogatory term for a kind of communitarism based on clearly identificable physical and cultural traits. The fact that it can intersect with euegentic should not became his main focus.

                  [–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                  There needs to be a pop up of the animated character of Ned Flanders proclaiming "It sure diggety dog gone can."

                  [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                  Why is that? Are races that different?

                  Yes. Here's a good starter.

                  https://www.bitchute.com/video/08ljH9cHPyDc/