Would you say Barry Goldwater's influence on the GOP has been cancerous?

submitted by Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism from self.debatealtright

Goldwater along with McCarthy are the main starting point for the GOP's complete turn off to economic populism and towards the whole "all economic populism, welfare and pro working class policy is literal stalinism" mentality that has started to show some signs of fading under Trump but is still prevalent and a massive shot to the foot.

On the other hand he did arguably shift the GOP right on social issues, the party used to be socially centrist, his campaign in 1964 did push the party towards the states rights orientation and his protege Reagan pushed the party further right by integrating religious evangelicals into the parties framework. I'd also probably guess the 15% of Republican's who voted against the 1965 poison pill were probably the Goldwater influenced sort.

all 14 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

These posts are just to dilute and distract DAR. They have a pattern. They are not about the alt right. You always seem to post them when there's a hot topic you are trying to keep away from the broader DAR and saidit community.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Not at all, that's not my intention.

[–]FriedrichLudwig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why are you always so calm and patient when you respond to comments like this? Doesn't it anger you not being taken seriously and being accused of being a shill and a member of political ideology you supposedly hate?

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because what's the point of getting angry, it's just an internet discussion. Also it's the head mod of the site, get on his bad side and I'm out.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You want to know what's funny about the 1964 election?

It was the last time that Whites in America had voted as a majority for Democrats. The 50-50 split we see today is a modern invention, and can be squarely blamed on the civil rights act resulting in far more dangerous racial tensions.

Johnson himself was also a bigger racist than Goldwater. However, it was Kennedy getting assassinated that turned him into a complete shitlib and pushed the "we're all equal" nonsense.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are you saying the fat Texan traitor was mentally impacted by Kennedy's assassination or was he scared the same would happen to him(if you believe the conspiracies about Kennedy's death)?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have to find the article, but I recall the the Civil Rights Act was originally Kennedy's idea, but Democrats back then were bigger supporters of segregation. In fact, look at the final senate vote, and more Democrats voted against passing it, vs Republicans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

But there was something about Kennedy's death, that changed Johnson and made him push forward with the plan.

Oddly, this change on racial views had reached another Democratic U.S President. Joe Biden wasn't always pro-black. He actually had a history of fighting forced bussing. But come election season in 2020, he completely changed his tune and now believes diversity is the coolest thing ever. 🤷

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/joe-biden-busing-letters-2020/index.html

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe I have some answers.

The Democrats have been a party of corrupt elites since the very beginning, from Andrew Jackson to Joe Biden. Lyndon B. Johnson was a classic deep-state Democrat, with the ultimate goal of the same thing the Democrats do every night, try to take over the world. As Goldwater said, he used "every dirty trick in the bag". But he saw that their racist assholery wasn't so popular anymore, so he devised a multi-layered plan: The Democrats would do what appeared to be reversing their platform, by flipping their position on a small subset of issues (mostly social, like hating "niggers", gays, "kids these days", etc.) to the exact opposite, while keeping their ultimate goals exactly the same. Only their surface beliefs changed, and only a few of them, but they made these ones the main focus so that no one would the important ones. THIS IS REAL "SOUTHERN STRATEGY". The politicians were in on it, explaining why none of the elites "switched sides" like they try to claim.

This proved very effective. What ended up happening was that the old Democrats were confused, and reluctantly began to move to the Republican party; kind of like how Nazis hang out in free speech havens even though they hate free speech, because liberals ban them from everywhere else. This allowed the Democrats to begin taking over the Republican party by sending rhino agents to appeal to the old Democrats who fled there. This is the true origin of the social and "religious" right. Goldwater saw this starting to happen very early on and warned us about it.

Meanwhile the Democrats' original party gained a strong following with its bigoted SJW platform, a 180 turn on the surface but with the same underlying authoritarian framework, and exploited the trendy progressives into voting for the deep state and big government, as well as convincing entire groups of people that not supporting them=racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Now the Democrats were pulling the strings of a party and a half, convincing people that they were polar opposites by orchestrating these stupid culture wars to distract us from actual politics. And people fell for it, and still do!

The last major dissidents were the libertarian-minded conservatives, who survived until 2020 when the Democrats orchestrated insane riots to "prove" that freedom is a liberal value, exploiting their tribal instincts to make them turn against it, and scaring them into war mode where people feel the need for drastic order and security. Thus manipulating them to support Democrat puppets who promise to crush their enemy and help them prevail. This is the same tactic dictators like Stalin and Hitler use to rise to power: fear, anger, misinformation, and tribalism.

Democrats now control everything, but give us the illusion of choice like in The Matrix.

I'm calling America dead. The deep state plot to take over America worked, and everyone fell right into their trap. I'm calling this Democratgate.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

nixon resigned because goldwater told him to, he told him the senate would vote to impeach him. I highly doubt that, senators back then were more based than today. Lot of people wonder what was in that watergate hotel that they were trying to steal. Goldwater likely knew.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Barry Goldwater warned us about letting christians take control of the GOP.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did he warn us about letting Jews take control of it?

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -Barry Goldwater

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"A woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right." -Barry Goldwater

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives." - Barry Goldwater